mrt 05 16:57:00 * Lear sets mode +m on #4chancup mrt 05 16:57:09 * Lear sets mode +N on #4chancup mrt 05 16:57:27 This is a list of today's topics. mrt 05 16:57:28 * TWAIN (Mibbit@415A93CA.ACEFD10E.2733C605.IP) has joined mrt 05 16:57:28 http://pastebin.com/aRsTs0ky mrt 05 16:57:58 I will introduce the topic, then give voice to people who wish to make a point about it. mrt 05 16:58:22 I expect everybody to be civil and reasonable in these discussions otherwise I will remove you. mrt 05 16:58:47 * Lear has changed the topic to: New to IRC? Read: https://goo.gl/UT6bMn | Stream: https://hitbox.tv/the4chancup | Wiki: https://implyingrigged.info | https://www.dailymotion.com/the4chancup_ | townhall topics: http://pastebin.com/aRsTs0ky mrt 05 16:59:12 If you want in PM an OP so that they can give you voice. mrt 05 16:59:28 Any of the OPs present can give voice. mrt 05 16:59:46 That means DB, f4r, Feedback, Ved, and myself. mrt 05 17:00:16 Anyway it's time to start. mrt 05 17:00:32 * SuperAsia (Mibbit@6A4A3D5B.FB2F65D5.95EA59D6.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:00:36 * GermanBro has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) mrt 05 17:00:57 The first thing to discuss is the general presence of comfy or just "non-4cc" streaming on the main channel mrt 05 17:01:17 Now to remember how to give voice. mrt 05 17:01:18 * Ved gives voice to Marqod mrt 05 17:01:18 * anon_851 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 17:01:31 * Lear gives voice to torytorytory mrt 05 17:01:41 * anon_839 (Mibbit@91796080.F9CD869B.8B5915ED.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:01:48 Marqod can go first, if he'd like to. mrt 05 17:01:54 * Lear gives voice to TWAIN mrt 05 17:01:58 * Feedback gives voice to Pony_me_bro mrt 05 17:02:14 Yes Marqod, then Tory, then Twain, then PMB. mrt 05 17:02:34 * Lear gives voice to Kekkels mrt 05 17:02:40 In my opinion, having comfy streams on the main channel is an excellent way to entertain folks when nothing major is happening, especially when hostmoded so people don't receive mails about comfy starting. mrt 05 17:02:41 * Lear gives voice to Two_Scoops mrt 05 17:03:40 * GermanBro (GermanBro@F9A9EA1F.4F63A1D2.FD39AE19.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:03:41 * ChanServ gives channel half-operator status to GermanBro mrt 05 17:03:42 So you're fine with the current decision to keep it hosted. mrt 05 17:03:51 * Shakes (Mibbit@48F8EF4E.118375E6.F285662F.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:03:56 * fifz (Mibbit@B7CDC3A7.6A1A9AA2.A53064C4.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:03:58 Tory? mrt 05 17:04:15 Yeah, especially since there's basically no intrusion for people not wanting anything other than actual cup broadcasts. mrt 05 17:04:24 I largely agree with Marqod. I think that when little is going on regarding the cup, people should be able to stream as they please. Frankly, comfy gets about 30-80 people watching, and there are never any serious complaints about the people who are streaming. As long as the cup and invitationals take precedent over the comfy, I'm happy for it to continue. mrt 05 17:04:50 It would also negate the need for changing the channel all the time, which we currently have on the 2 channel system. mrt 05 17:05:45 * [soc]ialspartan (Mibbit@AD0F6299.321EFF53.A785AC96.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:05:46 Right Twain. This part is mostly getting to see where people are, we will have a chance for debate and more discussion once people have said a bit more where they are. mrt 05 17:05:52 i have no problem with a comfy channel, but: mrt 05 17:05:57 * DukeSilver (DukeSilver@pawnee.in.gov) has joined mrt 05 17:06:06 if it's not a pes memevitational, mrt 05 17:06:19 I vote yes to comfy, there's nothing wrong with the current (hostmoded the4chancupcomfy) status. So far nobody here has objected to this so they're really nothing to add until somebody says something in favor of removing it mrt 05 17:06:21 if it's not a pre-matchday or post-matchday show mrt 05 17:06:26 or mrt 05 17:06:27 shit sorry mrt 05 17:06:34 if it's not f4cc or the like mrt 05 17:06:43 it has no business being hostmoded by the main channel mrt 05 17:07:16 * Lear gives voice to CuriousAnon mrt 05 17:07:32 PMB your turn to agree with Twain. mrt 05 17:07:33 are we still taking turns here mrt 05 17:07:44 * Dag (Dag@E636D2ED.629D26E0.E3F5A943.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:07:50 Yes there's a few people in queue before I let chaos reign. mrt 05 17:07:55 * anon_240 (Mibbit@BBEF7080.465F2981.8855D857.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:07:59 Just as an aside before I start, for all the meming that happens in /4ccg/ about "horsefuckers being anti-comfy," I want to make it clear that I am not in any way speaking for /mlp/. To be frank, I was reluctant to participate in the town hall because I know anytime a mulp person shows up it can derail conversation and because I didn't want to inadvertently mrt 05 17:08:07 taint any of the views I'm about to share as "horsefucker opinions" by association, but since I shared my thoughts in the Hitbox chat on the day Boris talked about the controversy, mrt 05 17:08:14 I thought it was only fair to take up Lear's offer and share those same thoughts here for the record. I also want to make it clear at the outset that my opinion of comfy isn't motivated by any personal animosity toward any individual streamer, many of whom I've always gotten along well with. mrt 05 17:08:21 Now, as for my thoughts on comfy in general, I'm fine with it when it takes place at the traditional times for the traditional reasons: on cup days prior to and immediately after the stream to warm up/wind down the audience. I'm opposed to the trend of 24/7 hosting. mrt 05 17:08:27 I pitched the idea of creating a separate comfy channel for two reasons: one, to avoid inundating subscribers with live notifications when non-cup content was airing and, two, because I felt random comfy didn't belong on the main channel to begin with. mrt 05 17:08:34 I hadn't anticipated that the main channel would begin hosting the comfy channel by default and, after seeing the results, I don't think it's appropriate. mrt 05 17:09:08 Your first point is untrue, PMB. mrt 05 17:09:09 * anon_240 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 17:09:18 Hostmode means no mail. mrt 05 17:09:26 I'm aware. mrt 05 17:09:35 * anon_969 (Mibbit@520634E.B3A95965.E98E5CB3.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:09:39 * anonnn (Mibbit@1596F08.2CFB35F6.66AFC538.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:09:45 I'm saying, I pitched the idea of a separate channel to Boris so that the main channel wouldn't send out mail when comfy was streamed. mrt 05 17:10:00 Ah. mrt 05 17:10:18 Right then Kekkels do you have a speech prepared? mrt 05 17:10:40 Uhh, not a speech rather but mrt 05 17:11:04 My thoughts on the 4chancup comfy. It's a great place for the community of the 4chan cup viewers. A steady audience of 60-100 viewers and a modest group of streamers who are known as testers, managers and fans of the many different teams. It's essentially a virtual couch with everyone taking turns on the controller and enjoy others. mrt 05 17:11:26 I will say that I am not opposed to it not being hostmodded on the main channel, I understand the point on that. mrt 05 17:11:45 * anon_478 (Mibbit@B7F229AE.7758F6E1.45AF0D8F.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:12:20 Two_scoops mrt 05 17:12:25 * White_Plague (Mibbit@9114CAF0.8C1289C3.CF727935.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:13:07 Also to the people who have joined since I said it, if you want to weigh in PM an OP to get voice. mrt 05 17:13:18 * anon_240 (Mibbit@BBEF7080.465F2981.8855D857.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:13:44 Lear - will there be a chance to respond to points once everyone has spoken? mrt 05 17:13:52 Yes. mrt 05 17:14:11 two_scoops that was your go if you aren't typing. mrt 05 17:14:20 So it seems people want to keep some kind of "integrity" for a channel that's not being used for like 98% of the year. If some lads who participate in the cup also want to hang out with other lads and fans then there's really no reason to kick them out other than "I don't like it" mrt 05 17:14:27 * Ved has changed the topic to: 4CC Town Hall | IF YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THE DISCUSSION, PM ONE OF THE CHANNEL OPS mrt 05 17:14:36 Thank you Ved. mrt 05 17:14:45 np mrt 05 17:14:45 * Alfonso (Mibbit@E6AF4BD7.DF6C2898.F5C57B4C.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:14:50 I have the old topic saved for when we're done. mrt 05 17:15:03 CuriousAnon mrt 05 17:15:35 * Lear gives voice to maasie mrt 05 17:15:46 * Lear gives voice to iMaasie mrt 05 17:15:53 IMaasie after CA. mrt 05 17:16:18 * anon_240 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 17:16:23 * anon_649 (Mibbit@A5349EB2.3292C1E2.D8607CFF.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:16:29 * Lear gives voice to trya mrt 05 17:16:34 Then Tyra. mrt 05 17:16:34 * Ved has changed the topic to: 4CC Town Hall Topics: http://pastebin.com/aRsTs0ky |IF YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THE DISCUSSION, PM ONE OF THE CHANNEL OPS FOR VOICE mrt 05 17:16:44 * Lear gives voice to [soc]ialspartan mrt 05 17:16:47 Then spartan. mrt 05 17:17:00 * C6H12 (Cyclohexan@1875201.30CBF11B.6648DD01.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:17:21 rip CA mrt 05 17:17:22 I guess CA isn't here so I'll post what he PM'd me. mrt 05 17:17:33 I wont really get to sat it, and someone else probably will say it, but I just wanted to suggest moving comfy entirely to the comfy channel. If its not a 4chan cup sport of some kind, then play it on comfy. I would also suggest, allowing full advertisment of the comfy channel to compensate. Even going as far as to put a link to the comfy hitbox on the front mrt 05 17:17:47 Massie you're up then. mrt 05 17:18:07 * Lear gives voice to C6H12 mrt 05 17:18:09 I've got something after Spartan. mrt 05 17:18:17 Cyclo after Ved then. mrt 05 17:18:30 I'd like to mention here that this problem seems to be fairly recent and I'd be curious to hear why only recently comfy has been an issue. As far as I can remember (back in ye ole GB days) nobody actually complained about comfy. Nobody complained about comfy in it's current form (which, admittedly, has changed) until the cup started. It's also fun to note that GB downright streamed on the channel itself sometimes or hosted himself the mrt 05 17:18:30 same way that we host the4chancupcomfy nowadays. I'm just wondering why the issue arose just now? mrt 05 17:19:07 Personally I see no issue in using /deadair/ for fun & games in the way Kekkels suggested. mrt 05 17:19:08 we didn't have 24/7 comfy before mrt 05 17:19:27 DB last in queue before we start properly discussing it. mrt 05 17:19:49 * newbie has quit (Connection reset by peer) mrt 05 17:19:50 * Ana_Mack (chatzilla@ADC83F59.22944235.38CB0ADA.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:19:52 And the difference between now and then is that before it was only the people who everyone knew like GB and it was not 24/7/. mrt 05 17:20:16 tyra? mrt 05 17:20:20 I have nothing against 4CC comfy in general, my argument in favor of hosted comfy on main channel is a practical one: a common chat for all events, whether they be PES, vidya or anything else, and a seamless transition between streams, especially before and after cup streams. Well, that is, when >shitbox don't fuck it up. mrt 05 17:20:44 * Lear gives voice to [d]r[d]troit mrt 05 17:21:07 Dtroit after DB then that's it for statements and we get to the fun part. mrt 05 17:21:28 [soc]ialspartan you had something to say. mrt 05 17:21:33 <[soc]ialspartan> sup dudes mrt 05 17:21:53 * Lear gives voice to gtfu mrt 05 17:21:55 <[soc]ialspartan> Bring back the lunch-time/dinner-time breaks after 4 games and play memey af stuff during it mrt 05 17:22:00 <[soc]ialspartan> that was always fun mrt 05 17:22:13 You have no idea what this is about do you. mrt 05 17:22:19 lel mrt 05 17:22:25 <[soc]ialspartan> it's an expansion of comfy? mrt 05 17:22:29 bravo mrt 05 17:22:36 Anyway Ved. mrt 05 17:22:42 <[soc]ialspartan> later dudes mrt 05 17:22:49 Didn't need those sides anyway. mrt 05 17:22:56 * anon_193 (Mibbit@A5349EB2.3292C1E2.D8607CFF.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:23:01 * Lear gives voice to Alternative_Roo mrt 05 17:23:11 * anon_193 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 17:23:14 Fuck forgot to voice Roo he can come in after dtroit. mrt 05 17:23:15 If pro-comfy people are in agreement that the main channel should use hostmode to host comfy streamers so that notifications aren't sent out to people who aren't interested, then I feel it's safe to assume that its viewership isn't looking to bring others into the fold. If that is indeed the case, then I don't understand why the main channel is needed at all, since it's a closed group mrt 05 17:23:16 of people interested in watching a closed group of streamers, many of whom by their own admission don't want to bother the broader cup viewership with notifications. Essentially, I see no reason why a closed community requires an open channel. mrt 05 17:23:29 Could you have possibly not used those colors mrt 05 17:23:45 Well Ved I disagree that it's a closed group. mrt 05 17:24:01 single background colors make it easier to parse statements mrt 05 17:24:19 It's not like I need to read that or anything. mrt 05 17:24:26 * BGP (Mibbit@A15F487B.9013D934.C6330C0F.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:24:27 DB mrt 05 17:24:29 It has slowly expanded and grown over the past half year mrt 05 17:24:38 * Lear gives voice to Fapoleon mrt 05 17:24:43 hi hello i was supposed to go after ved mrt 05 17:24:46 Okay hurrying this a biy. mrt 05 17:24:49 Go then. mrt 05 17:24:53 go on, Cyclo mrt 05 17:25:05 alright, i'd like to bring up my statement and a question mrt 05 17:25:31 * Lear gives voice to PAVAL mrt 05 17:25:36 * Lear gives voice to Magical_Manager mrt 05 17:25:37 I have my text ready after dtroit mrt 05 17:26:01 * QD (QD@EE8B4FC4.E302DD62.E26C2260.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:26:08 Yes if you could pretype something so that we can get past the "everyone says something then sits down" part that'd be grand. mrt 05 17:26:11 * newbie (kvirc@93320475.EE4A5FEE.AF1F2968.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:26:46 first off, as part of the comfy team since boris decided to do the 24h comfy starting last summer cup, i was surprised people only found room for complains only 6 months after its inception. one part i did understand from the people against the comfy team was the use of watermarks on a 4cc-hosted stream, imo that has no business being here since this is supposed to be as far away from the mrt 05 17:26:46 individual as possible mrt 05 17:27:16 That's reasonable. mrt 05 17:27:49 Dtroit? mrt 05 17:27:53 <[d]r[d]troit> The suggestion of full advertisment of the Comfy channel is somewhat silly. If it's so far as being advertised on the main channel or especially the wiki, then there's no point to it not being hostmoded other than some silly semi-fragmentation of the chat, whcih I don't think is something anyone had an actual problem with anyway. Just leave it hostmoded if it's going to be added to the wiki. mrt 05 17:27:53 just to jump in here the ""watermarks"" are supposed to cull the constant "who's streaming" and "what game" questions mrt 05 17:28:01 the second part is my question to the people who actually watch comfy is what they would like to see from the team since if we stay hosted on the 4cc channel, obviously the streams would stay as before without watermarks etc, or if they prefer something that isn't hosted but can allow for more interesting stream interaction ie. custom layouts, facecams, etc mrt 05 17:28:34 * Darkbow (Darkbow@1E6EB04C.C7D5487B.BE4C083.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:28:50 gtfu mrt 05 17:29:01 ok mrt 05 17:29:19 So I'll say, even though I watch since 2013, I didn't get really involved with anything with the cup until autumn 2016. Aside from the odd GB/Boris COmfy. mrt 05 17:29:24 Thats because aside from the comfy the way to communicate is either /4ccg/ (which lets admit is shit as fuck) or Skype/discord.(Which is too tight knit and private.) mrt 05 17:29:24 * Lear gives voice to Ana_Mack mrt 05 17:29:28 Comfy for me is a very nice alternative, its up all the time, you can see many managers, it has a 4chan culture, and anybody can join without giving any real personnal information.And I've been there almost every day ever since. mrt 05 17:29:32 So to me separating it from the cup altogether is a bad idea, because it reinforce the idea of a "private" group. Wherehas the cup channel stays a public discussion zone. As long as we have rules prioritizing main streamer, the rest is pure "opinion" that we know 4ccg is very fickle about. mrt 05 17:29:38 * gw (Mibbit@BB6CD281.14F82121.21C59A7B.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:30:01 DB mrt 05 17:30:19 Generally speaking, I think that comfies have their place in this whole 4CC business. It's true that they have changed a lot since GermanBro streamed honking trucks and foreign movies without subtitles, but idea is still the same - to bring some eyecandy to people who think that Cup is not enough and don't want to sit there and stare at blank screen. mrt 05 17:30:34 As for everything that falls under the category of "comfy" - so vidya unrelated to the 4CC - should have their own place on ComfyCabal channel. I'm sort of indifferent whether it's hostmoded on main channel or just officially advertised, either way shouldn't stop newfriends from finding comfies and joining the fun. mrt 05 17:30:41 In case of it being no longer directly featured, I believe it still deserves some recognition in form of link, somewhere in the official channel description or on offline screen. Cup streamers shouldn't be forced to pretend it doesn't exist too, if someone feels like inviting people to watch some vidya afterwards, why not? mrt 05 17:31:26 Roo. mrt 05 17:31:39 thanks mrt 05 17:31:40 I don't really have a problem with it being on the main channel. However I don't have a problem with it being on the new comfycabal channel either. However it would be better to pick one and stick to it. The only thing I'll bring up is I (and others) were made mods to make sure the hosting went smoothly. Since we were de-modded there have been problems with people around who are available to mrt 05 17:31:40 re-host the channel etc etc. Personally I don't care if I'm de-modded perminantly, but I would like there to be someone or a group of people around at all timezones for the sake of practicality. mrt 05 17:32:07 * Lear gives voice to BGP mrt 05 17:32:16 That is all on this mrt 05 17:32:46 * newbie (kvirc@93320475.EE4A5FEE.AF1F2968.IP) has left mrt 05 17:32:47 Fapoleon. mrt 05 17:32:54 * MaxPiston (MaxPiston@7EE77918.6700FB6.6CB661A8.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:33:03 * drmchsr0 (kvirc@93320475.EE4A5FEE.AF1F2968.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:33:05 In my opinion, i always liked coming to the comfy stream and chilling there when i got nothing to do. I think it's a great way for the 4cc people and fans of 4cc to get together in a comfy and fun enviroment, and also i have nothing agianst the comfy part staying on the main channel, i like seeing the channel alive, instead of it being muh dedair when there is no cups or anything. Comfy can stay on the main channel in any way because mrt 05 17:33:05 it's a great part of the 4cc community and allows the whole community surrounding the 4cc to grow and expand. As long as streamers have a schedule that they follow and know what they are doing, the whole comfy thing is alight with me mrt 05 17:33:20 * LabCoat (Mibbit@C064C1A9.4AF8FF55.435BBCEE.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:33:34 * Lear gives voice to NFR mrt 05 17:33:54 Oops missed NFR then I think it's everyone who asked to say something before I closed the statements off. mrt 05 17:34:07 Going off of what GTFU said. mrt 05 17:34:12 I too have found chat on the main channel while comfy is being streamed to be a good way to communicate with people who are otherwise inaccessible or hard to come by. mrt 05 17:34:38 As a single Isolated example. FLGS. I used the comfy chat to contact Kregg about if he wanted to commentate in that event because at the time I didn’t have any way to contact him on something like skype or discord and trying to get a hold of someone on /4ccg/ tends to be unreliable. mrt 05 17:35:04 * Lear gives voice to Lazyturd mrt 05 17:35:05 This is not the first time it has been the best or oly successful way I've networked with people or gotten access to information mrt 05 17:35:11 * Lear gives voice to drmchsr0 mrt 05 17:35:12 * LabCoat has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 17:35:17 furthermore mrt 05 17:35:43 I've had numerous opportunites to teach people things bout the cup and explain things to the new and curious in the comfy chat mrt 05 17:36:02 either new to the cup and full of questions about that, or asking about comfy and what it is or how to participate mrt 05 17:36:23 * anon_240 (Mibbit@BBEF7080.465F2981.8855D857.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:36:36 so as long as it sits at the bottom of the streaming priority latter below invitationals and the cup itself mrt 05 17:36:48 Right then. mrt 05 17:37:01 I think it should stay as a useful way to communicate that is low on exlucivity and not nearly as toxic as 4ccg mrt 05 17:37:20 and not as drowning in high speed discordse and copypasta as the chat during the actual cup mrt 05 17:37:27 ok done mrt 05 17:37:33 Anyway there are a few people who I missed who wanted to say something but this is the end of the part of this where it's mostly one person talking at a time. mrt 05 17:37:47 * anon_240 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 17:38:01 can i say something please, even though it's a bunch of agreeing mrt 05 17:38:03 If you try to make a point by being lowder I may remove your voice so a reminder to be civil. mrt 05 17:38:06 go for it. mrt 05 17:38:08 Honestly, I don't think we should wait for people to type stuff tbh. Just voice a few people at a time and let them talk as they may. Slow it down manually if everyone's talking too fast. In any case, I want to piggyback what trya said - common chat. I've noticed the streamchat has become basically as much of an entity as other places like /4ccg/, IRC and /ag/. Like, before Discord anyway, I knew that I could find Kekkels in the stream chat at basically mrt 05 17:38:08 any time. It's a small reason for keeping comfy hostmoded on the main channel, but underrated. Not a lot of people are talking about "common chat." Also, personally, I'm not opposed to moving comfy to another channel, though I was opposed to it initially. Both are acceptable tbh. Scoops is right about 98%. People like Twain are right about it being unrelated. mrt 05 17:38:46 Can I get mine in as well? mrt 05 17:38:50 Go go go. mrt 05 17:38:53 I would like to agree yes. mrt 05 17:38:54 My feelings on comfy is that I don't like it at all and I don't think it should be hostmodded unless there is something related to the 4cc on. First Bait was my idea and I had that idea simply because I see why people want comfy so I thought of a way to have comfy and have it related to the 4cc and I think instead of someone that no one gives a fuck streaming video games poorly why not have... mrt 05 17:38:56 ...guys that make stuff for the cup stream themselves making stuff or show old videos of games if you don't want dead air and want a place to chat while still showing stuff about the cup mrt 05 17:38:58 Anyone can talk now. mrt 05 17:39:00 EVERYBODY START SAYING SHIT mrt 05 17:39:04 Just want to add to Roos point about stuff being on a single channel, which should be the way to go, we've already seen some communication messes about slotting and stuff, and making one comfy channel, no matter is it hosted, no matter what the fuck its name is, is for the better. mrt 05 17:39:07 Just hopefully less walls of text. mrt 05 17:39:07 I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO AGREE mrt 05 17:39:18 Basically, this is about purity of purpose for the main channel vs fragmenting the chat/community. mrt 05 17:39:19 first for benis mrt 05 17:39:24 I agree with what's being said mostly mrt 05 17:39:25 sorry I was delivering 'za mrt 05 17:39:32 >My feelings on comfy is that I don't like it at all mrt 05 17:39:32 <[d]r[d]troit> There should be a one-or two week lead-in to anything in relation to the schedule; not that comfy should take a priority over cup-related events, but if someone wants to stream something, there needs to be some kind of pre-warning. Not due to the comfy stream itself, but instead just so people know something is happening. If someone comes in last-second and wants to stream something, it should mrt 05 17:39:32 <[d]r[d]troit> be rejected until a later time instead of throwing EVERYONE into dissaray. If it's a rule, we'll avoid such things as the Pybro situation. I guess it's a bit silly to expect people to follow rules but by making it official we can at least make the attmept. mrt 05 17:39:32 * Lear removes voice from Kekkels mrt 05 17:39:50 A common argument that has come up is that "it's helpful to have a shared chat." That's a very reasonable argument, but I want to point out that it's an argument in favor of a shared channel, not in favor of hosting on the main channel. You can enjoy all the benefits of a shared chat without hosting on the main channel. mrt 05 17:39:51 that's really the entire argument isn't it? "I don't like it" mrt 05 17:40:00 I was wondering why there's a schedule and no one was paying attention to it when it was mentioned mrt 05 17:40:10 Congrats on not reading the rest of it mrt 05 17:40:12 Personally I feel this argument is based on "I DISLIKE PERSON X" over "I DISLIKE COMFY". The arguments presented by /4ccg/ over the past weeks feel like they're built upon personal hatred for certain streamers/commentators. mrt 05 17:40:34 ^ mrt 05 17:40:35 this mrt 05 17:40:37 I think most people took issue with comfy when there was kerfuffle with Pybro hosting F4CC mrt 05 17:40:46 common chat is a non-issue in non-cup days, because there's nothing streamed by the actual cup channel, so there wouldn't be any issue of population migration; as i said, pre and post-matchday stuff can get hostmoded, but otherwise, if it's someone playing vidya unrelated to 4cc, there's no need of hostmoding mrt 05 17:40:48 Yeah mrt 05 17:40:51 That's his fault for not saying he wanted to stream mrt 05 17:40:54 I just wamted to say that I think that comfy should be segregated from the main stream, but given full liberty to advertisement. I look at something Kekkels once said, about it being the living room of the 4cc where people can congregate and play games. mrt 05 17:40:55 I think that if it is on the stream it should be entirely related to the 4cc mrt 05 17:40:58 * Ved gives voice to sillius mrt 05 17:41:04 But the argument existed before the >Pybro incident mrt 05 17:41:05 In fairness to /4ccg/, I don't remember seeing posts directed at specific streamers. I may have missed some. mrt 05 17:41:08 What I got from the thread is that it's not really a matter of hosting or not hosting - it's a matter of GB or Sou being denied the opportunity to stream comfy on the main channel because the comfy channel was being hosted. The cabal then stirred up shit because their schedule was thrown off and their viewers left. I know it's not really fair and probably not what GB or Sou would want but I see no problem with allowing "high-profile" strea mrt 05 17:41:08 mers to override the cabal and stream comfy on the main channel like it's always been. mrt 05 17:41:08 * Lear gives voice to Kekkels mrt 05 17:41:24 <[d]r[d]troit> Also, if certain people gets to stream comfy, what's the cutoff? Is it just commissioners/fomer commisioners, or will there be some kind of relegation system in place? mrt 05 17:41:24 <[d]r[d]troit> (^: mrt 05 17:41:28 Is anyone else having trouble keeping up with all of this? mrt 05 17:41:32 comfy can stay; but we need to remember why we're here in the first place mrt 05 17:41:39 and that's the 4chan cup mrt 05 17:41:42 to reply to pony_me_bro to me a lot of people might not know about the comfy unless they explicitly look up for it, having comfy on the main stream allow it to make it more accessible mrt 05 17:41:47 IIRC, schedule is there for a reason mrt 05 17:41:50 anything else is an aside and verging on circlejerkery mrt 05 17:41:53 Sillius the issue there is that the "high profile" people have all said that they do not want any preferential treatment. mrt 05 17:42:00 Sorry pmb wrong person mrt 05 17:42:02 Why not show so old games instead of having some who gives a fuck streaming at 7 pm on a wednesday night? mrt 05 17:42:05 Pybro being the professionnal individual that he his did about the worst job possible communicating to >us that he was gonna do it and completely disregarded the schedule, and that's what created a lot of kneejerk reactions that, although valid, might not have sprouted if that quiproquo had not happened in the first place mrt 05 17:42:07 Sillius is bullshitting. mrt 05 17:42:09 But in reply I've had it personally mrt 05 17:42:09 as much as I like Sou, Boris and the #toplads, we do need a schedule mrt 05 17:42:19 * Bananamatic_ (chatzilla@BA609AB5.8FA5DF99.69F0971A.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:42:19 We have a schedule mrt 05 17:42:20 I think that each person should be limited to a certain amount of time, unless they stream at such time that nobody can stream after them after their time limit runs out mrt 05 17:42:22 People do use it mrt 05 17:42:23 GB and Sou are literally in the streaming group mrt 05 17:42:25 Everyone who streams comfy understands that cup events get priority mrt 05 17:42:27 Sou, Boris and GB are part of the comfy group. mrt 05 17:42:28 <[d]r[d]troit> IF we get rid of comfy, I'd like to second Ana_Mack's idea of showing old games on a cycle mrt 05 17:42:36 Boris would like to say that this is not some sort of secret group that cut off the #toplads mrt 05 17:42:38 Also, GB, Bors and Sou are sitting in the same Skype channel/discord as the people streaming mrt 05 17:42:43 From my experience, people have respect for those who have been in the cup longer/are more influential anyway. GB would always get to stream over the likes of me. mrt 05 17:42:44 Twain, if you're referring to Pybro's issue with there being comfy, it must be said again - he communicated WITH NO ONE. He showed up a day or two before and wanted to have it as pre-show. There were things scheduled all over the weekend for the previous two weeks or so. No one disagrees with the priority list. Pybro did not communicate. mrt 05 17:42:45 We have a schedule, it's just not super visible (this is in the topic list which we'll never get to). mrt 05 17:42:54 [d]r[d]troit I don't think anybody has the ability to do that mrt 05 17:43:04 It's as visible as it can be right now mrt 05 17:43:08 I know, we need to make this a bit more visible mrt 05 17:43:12 By the way WIKI CALENDAR: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Calendar mrt 05 17:43:13 There are links to it in the main channel and the comfycabal channel mrt 05 17:43:19 Just a little appeal to comfy streamers (and response to Cyclo, of sort) in general: I really enjoy your show when I have a little bit of time or need some background noise and I appreciate any work you put into it. mrt 05 17:43:20 However, please don't feel obliged to have this event being run 24/7 at all cost, during season and off-season. Please stream only when you are in good mood, have sufficient machine and internet connection, and believe that the game you have in tow is worth being shown to everyone. mrt 05 17:43:28 It would be as simple as moving the calendar to the description of the Main Channel, wouldn't it? mrt 05 17:43:29 I was wondering if it'd be possible to put the calendar in chat sticky like we did before for the emote addon mrt 05 17:43:35 +1 for DB mrt 05 17:43:40 I get that but from my perspective that's what the argument has always been about - some low-talent nobody taking time away from established streamers like Boris, Sou, and GB. mrt 05 17:43:42 "please stream only when you're in a good mood" mrt 05 17:44:04 Also the argument of "You aren't good at games so you should be banned from comentating/streaming" is stupid. mrt 05 17:44:09 Don't like it, don't watch it. mrt 05 17:44:11 More likie "pls stream when you're drunk and have a good connection" :^) mrt 05 17:44:12 Pony_me_bro the chat around comfy would not serve as a place to get questions answered for new people to the cup if it's not on the same channel as the cup. Or at least is much less likely to be. mrt 05 17:44:13 And sillius, we use a schedule to alot time slots, and typically no one is a stickler for fighting over a time slot. mrt 05 17:44:16 I've heard people complain about the quality of certain streamers but I can only take my own case and as such I can't say I've had anyone complain to me that I was doing a bad job of it mrt 05 17:44:17 Sillius the established people are fine with how things are though loathe as I am to speak for others here. mrt 05 17:44:22 Tha tliterally isn't happening sillius. mrt 05 17:44:26 I just don't why it has to be 24/7 though mrt 05 17:44:29 Silius - that doesn't happen, though. The established people always get to go first, mrt 05 17:44:34 don't see* mrt 05 17:44:39 * Lear gives voice to MaxPiston mrt 05 17:44:43 * mib_2oya8w (Mibbit@C064C1A9.4AF8FF55.435BBCEE.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:44:44 I don't care what's on the stream when I'm not watching it, as long as comfy streamers realize their schedule isn't sacred and they can get booted off for something more important. mrt 05 17:44:54 NFR: If you're talking about people getting involved with the cup, I don't think "finding the chat" is a high barrier to entry, especially when we have a wiki, a thread, a Discord, and an IRC. mrt 05 17:44:56 "Low talent nobody" mrt 05 17:44:56 see I didn't know that. I don't even feel that strongly about this I just felt like this "issue" wasn't being adressed mrt 05 17:44:57 The IRC or even /4ccg/ are fine places to ask questions about the cup. From the IRC, you'll probably be directed to skype or discord. mrt 05 17:44:58 <[d]r[d]troit> I want to bully Sou! mrt 05 17:45:02 I dont think this is working mrt 05 17:45:06 Cup events and invitationals will always take priority. mrt 05 17:45:06 it's the only real complaint I've seen in /4ccg/ anyways mrt 05 17:45:13 does +v even matter now, it's just all loose now anyways mrt 05 17:45:28 @sillius - The 4ccg knows dick about what actualy goes on mrt 05 17:45:31 it's not a priority issue, it's an issue of offtopic mrt 05 17:45:33 It's the difference between 20 and 70 users mrt 05 17:45:37 They sputtered a lot of "information" about me that was false mrt 05 17:45:41 I don't think you actually want to turn it off mrt 05 17:45:44 I'm fine with Bors, GB, Sou or a 4ccg councilmember does the occasional override if the event is importnat mrt 05 17:45:46 communication is something that has to be improved though. mrt 05 17:45:46 * Lab (Lab@C064C1A9.4AF8FF55.435BBCEE.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:45:52 But this entire thing is caused by /4ccg/ throwing a hissyfit so that's a moot point Alternative_Roo mrt 05 17:45:54 And we have a schedual we all use and we all agree on it as streamers. mrt 05 17:45:57 * Ved gives voice to anon_478 mrt 05 17:45:57 when the only relation to 4cc is it's streamed by someone 4cc related, that doesn't sit well mrt 05 17:46:01 to make it more detailed, I think that Official Cup events (elites, babbies, fetus) > Official Friendlies > VGL > PES invitationals > Other sports > Comfy vidya mrt 05 17:46:04 I personally think all this got overblow out of proportion because /4ccg/ will shitpost about anything to stop they travel to >page 9. Just make the schedule more visible, put some rules about priorities (PES invitationals > people playing games badly with no mic) and stop making me channel jump because some FAGGOTS need to shitpost. And Boris check the time. mrt 05 17:46:07 Please try to keep this more related to the channel and what to do with it. mrt 05 17:46:12 Sometimes we need someone to be the dick, boris. mrt 05 17:46:13 * mib_2oya8w has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 17:46:29 By the way, to the people who want a public calendar... it's ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS been in the stream title of the4chancupcomfy, which is visible when it's hosted on the main channel. It's tinyurl.com/cupcomfy mrt 05 17:46:34 We already have an agreement that PES related stuff comes first mrt 05 17:46:44 We've had that since the start mrt 05 17:46:46 Pony_me_bro we do have all of those things and they are wonderful resources. but you have to know about them to use them. you don't have to know about something outside the cup channel to use the cup channel chat. Also 4ccg is not a good place to learn how to get involved and the tutorials and information on the wiki are not always complete or up to date. Often I've had to go to a lot of... mrt 05 17:46:48 ...trouble to get working knowledge from a person because the tutorials on the wiki were not sufficient. mrt 05 17:46:48 Again 4ccg knows dick mrt 05 17:46:56 Is it linked in the 4cc thread? mrt 05 17:46:58 Can we please stop using annoying colors to outline our points. mrt 05 17:47:03 <[d]r[d]troit> no mrt 05 17:47:05 no mrt 05 17:47:06 * Ved gives voice to Darkbow mrt 05 17:47:08 Yes the problem with the F4CC thing was that Pybro didn't even contact Boris about what he was doing. mrt 05 17:47:14 Honestly, there are some really entertaining people who are fairly new and yet their streams are fun and comfy. I don't see why we should exclude fun content for those 30-90 people who enjoy the streams. The established people, though, will ALWAYS get precedent over those who are more new. mrt 05 17:47:16 We should assign colors ahead of time next time we do this mrt 05 17:47:18 I agree with DB honestly, but I would love to see some old games shown as well mrt 05 17:47:19 so it's actually readable mrt 05 17:47:22 the google calendar was created about a day into the 24h stream extravaganza of Summer 16, for the record mrt 05 17:47:40 It's been there for almost a year mrt 05 17:47:47 It's in the title and description of the channel mrt 05 17:47:49 +1 Cyclo mrt 05 17:47:51 Okay so improving the calendar is a must. mrt 05 17:47:55 If you can't bookmark it then that's your own fault mrt 05 17:48:03 Isn't there a way to integrate it on the wiki? mrt 05 17:48:05 I agree with Roo on that one. mrt 05 17:48:10 There is. mrt 05 17:48:10 <[d]r[d]troit> Nah, it should be a bit ore public-facing mrt 05 17:48:11 The ony problem is that it hasn't been labled as a calendar mrt 05 17:48:12 yes improving the calandar would help things greatly wheter tcomfy stays on the main channel or not mrt 05 17:48:13 It's funny that I didn't notice it for a while mrt 05 17:48:17 How Dtroit? mrt 05 17:48:17 There's also skill level. New streamers should have a place to go to work on stuff. Keeping the main channel for cup events (inlcuding cup weekend streams) and the comfy for new. mrt 05 17:48:22 f4r said he would look into various media-wiki things. mrt 05 17:48:23 <[d]r[d]troit> By putting it on the wiki mrt 05 17:48:27 I don't think there was any problem with the calendar until the pybro situation and pybro was more a communication issue than a calendar problem mrt 05 17:48:34 <[d]r[d]troit> integrate it like the stream is mrt 05 17:48:38 And it could also be a place to check for when invitationals are. mrt 05 17:48:39 Having the comfy calender on the frontpage of the wiki would be pretty great - especially if we added invitationals to it mrt 05 17:48:45 I'm okay with moving comfy, but tehre shouldn't be a "minor league" for streamers to "improve." mrt 05 17:48:45 an altogether 4cc calender mrt 05 17:48:53 That's contrived as hell mrt 05 17:48:54 So put the calendar on the wiki and on the 4ccg thread with instructions on how to get on the calendar mrt 05 17:48:55 If you are not watching the comfy then why care about people's "skill level" mrt 05 17:49:02 We could colour code things so that people would be able to tell at a glance what the thing is. mrt 05 17:49:10 Lear, that's good too mrt 05 17:49:10 I'm half blind, does that mean I can't stream at all because my "skill level" is going to be lower? mrt 05 17:49:10 <[d]r[d]troit> There should be a minor league (CC strea) but it shouldn't be hostmoded mrt 05 17:49:10 I think people have gotten this idea that comfy wasn't ever about filling dead air mrt 05 17:49:22 Sorry to butt in entirely - would we be able to slow down and focus on one central point for the benefit of reasoned discussion? mrt 05 17:49:27 it obviously should give priority to PES events or stuff like F4CC mrt 05 17:49:30 btw, I've already been doing this Lear. I colored Winter slots as blue. I already put Spring slots on the calendar as green. Not a great color code, but it's something. mrt 05 17:49:30 Exactly, alot of people that complain about the whole comfy thing don't even watch it, i mean what le fug mrt 05 17:49:40 People are going off on tangents which will be addressed later. mrt 05 17:49:41 Most calendar slots are purple, as that's the default color. mrt 05 17:49:42 * Lab has quit (Quit: Leaving) mrt 05 17:49:47 if we do have an integratec calandar then it would be good to be able to toggle displaying differnt categories of content on and off. mrt 05 17:49:48 so if you just want to see when invitationals are, offical cups, draws, comfy steams, or some other thing. mrt 05 17:50:02 @C6H.. - We already agreed on that a year ago mrt 05 17:50:02 you can just toggle the display of hte other categories off mrt 05 17:50:03 Allright, here's what I'll say: mrt 05 17:50:14 * anon_677 (Mibbit@A208ED3.916A1B64.CF727935.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:50:18 Ahem, so colorcodes for the various events, I think we all can agree on that mrt 05 17:50:35 The problem I have with comfy is that people don't seem to understand what streaming or comfy is. Just because you want to stream comfy doesn't mean you can. Every time I tune into the channel only to be greeted by some mouthbreathing weeb badly playing an obscure game makes me want to watch the stream and the cup less. mrt 05 17:50:37 Having a place that has all planned invitationals would be great since I never know when any of them are so /jp/ never gets signed up for them mrt 05 17:50:41 This is a typical example of just because you can doesn't mean you should. The large majority of people cannot stream, and they shouldn't. If you can't play an instrument, you're not going to jump on stage and start destroying a guitar either, and if you do you're not going to wonder why everyone except your local circlejerk starts leaving the venue. mrt 05 17:50:43 * Heavenly_Pond (Mibbit@B6F968BD.4AB916F0.7FB4E2B4.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:50:51 In my opinion the comfy cabal is a clear case of just because you can doesn't mean you should. The power to entertain is not a gift everyone has, especially not on a Malaysian Interpretative Dance forum where autism and anti-social behavior runs rampant. I don't want comfy to end, but I want comfy streaming to be limited to the few people who can entertain. mrt 05 17:50:54 * LabCoat (LabCoat@C064C1A9.4AF8FF55.435BBCEE.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:50:57 I agree With BGP mrt 05 17:51:01 Some time ago we had a huge issue where the Babby Cup was in danger of being canned because we didn't have the "right" people to stream it, but now the keys to the channel are just given out willy nilly to neckbeard tripfags craving attention. mrt 05 17:51:01 "Mouth Breathing Weeb" mrt 05 17:51:04 * White_Plague has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 17:51:06 Then don't watch it mrt 05 17:51:07 I check if there's anything on stream occassionally and if I don't like what/who is on, I turn it off. I don't think we need to defend the "integrity" of the stream. mrt 05 17:51:09 If your idea is that it doesn't matter and you'd rather have some faggot on the stream rather than """"dead air"""", then you prioritize quantity over quality and you are retarded. mrt 05 17:51:10 BGP, people have different standards of quality and different things can be entertaining for them mrt 05 17:51:12 * CRAIG (Mibbit@868B6387.495FD74C.CF2B0A60.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:51:13 Just because you don't like it doesn't mean other's do mrt 05 17:51:16 don't* mrt 05 17:51:26 That's fine enough, but then we're going to need clear data on streamers people like and dislike mrt 05 17:51:28 Can I just ask a very quick question - who here has genuinely had issues with people who have been streaming over the past few weeks? Who here has genuinely not enjoyed their time watching comfy? mrt 05 17:51:28 BGP I asked people to be civil and you're towing a fine line. mrt 05 17:51:31 "some faggot" mrt 05 17:51:35 * fifz has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 17:51:41 <[d]r[d]troit> Are we going to need to send out post-comfy surveys? mrt 05 17:51:45 BGP, I enjoy Kregg and Roo equally mrt 05 17:51:51 * Darkbow_ (Darkbow@1E6EB04C.C7D5487B.BE4C083.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:51:53 <[d]r[d]troit> Please give me five stars mrt 05 17:51:56 Without naming names, is anyone here actually willing to say that they have disliked any particular streamers? mrt 05 17:52:00 again, i'll reiterate my point: the comfy channel can exist, that's not an issue in itself; what the issue is, is comfy becoming a circlejerking tool; want to stream? ok, do it; but don't use the name of the 4chan cup to promote yourself mrt 05 17:52:02 I know I'm not exactly liked by some people mrt 05 17:52:13 There should be some sort of poll about this whole thing too mrt 05 17:52:13 * anon_677 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 17:52:15 once again, i've been streaming on a relatively sporadic basis but i've yet to see any complains be it in the chat, the thread, or anywhere else about my own shifts mrt 05 17:52:21 There is zero circlejerking going on mrt 05 17:52:23 I'm willing to say I dislike people, but I'm going to leave it at that mrt 05 17:52:27 So please TWAIN explain how it's a "circlejerk" mrt 05 17:52:30 TWAIN I feel like isolating comfy would make it a LITERAL circlejerk over Kekkels' "a couch with fun lads, anyone can play" we have now. mrt 05 17:52:34 Holy shit implying mrt 05 17:52:38 I've disliked streamers, I just don't watch when I don't like. mrt 05 17:52:39 ok, not circlejerk, but attention whoring mrt 05 17:52:40 I was helping Cpt. Courage yesterday, and got no complaints. mrt 05 17:52:45 * Darkbow has quit (Connection reset by peer) mrt 05 17:52:52 Explain how it's attention whoring? mrt 05 17:52:55 I think it's also on the people streaming to accept feedback from viewers be it positive or negative and judge how much of it is legitimate mrt 05 17:52:56 Its the offiial cup stream, why does there have to be unrelated stuff there at all? How many of those streamers want to help stream a cup and are using it to learn? That is the only reason they should stream there. Shitbox is already well stocked with shit vidya streams with autistic muttering in the background that is unrelated to the cup. mrt 05 17:52:57 Can we go the next question? We're getting ahead of ourselves. mrt 05 17:53:04 I think the comfy community does a fine job of self selecting streamers mrt 05 17:53:15 Credit to CrackRobat for that point. mrt 05 17:53:30 <[d]r[d]troit> >thinking the cup isnt a vidya streams with autistic muttering in the background mrt 05 17:53:32 <[d]r[d]troit> (^: mrt 05 17:53:32 it's something that's not pes and something that's not 4chan; just someone saying come and watch me play some shit mrt 05 17:53:41 People throw out words like "circlejerk" or "attention whore" and then don't qualify it mrt 05 17:53:49 And if you don't want to, you can turn it off, Twain. mrt 05 17:53:54 Well, most comfy is being streamed on Comfy and ComfyCabal mrt 05 17:53:55 So don't watch it then TWAIN mrt 05 17:54:12 Okay we're veering of course so I'm going to ask that everybody hold their tounges for a moment. mrt 05 17:54:20 If you dislike it don't watch it, but there's definitely an audience of 60-100 people who just enjoy talking with people with a common interest; 4chan and more specifically the 4cc. mrt 05 17:54:25 Sh mrt 05 17:54:32 Fucking up and spilling spaghetti is part of the folklore and the giggles. It's also part of the 4CC quality for being a silly thing streamed by silly people. mrt 05 17:54:34 <[d]r[d]troit> Sh mrt 05 17:54:36 Sh mrt 05 17:54:39 Sh mrt 05 17:54:41 [dead air] mrt 05 17:54:45 The fact is, if we didn't have streamers on the main channel, we'd have deadair. By streaming, we give people the option AT VERY LEAST. mrt 05 17:54:49 So as a quick poll. Do you think comfy should be hosted? Answer "yes" or "no". mrt 05 17:54:54 no mrt 05 17:54:55 Yes mrt 05 17:54:56 yes mrt 05 17:54:56 no mrt 05 17:54:57 <[d]r[d]troit> Yes mrt 05 17:54:57 Yes mrt 05 17:54:57 yes mrt 05 17:54:57 no mrt 05 17:54:57 yes mrt 05 17:54:58 yes mrt 05 17:54:59 yes mrt 05 17:55:03 Yes mrt 05 17:55:03 (maybe) mrt 05 17:55:03 yes mrt 05 17:55:06 yes mrt 05 17:55:06 Yes mrt 05 17:55:09 No mrt 05 17:55:10 * Lear gives voice to DukeSilver mrt 05 17:55:11 no mrt 05 17:55:12 Yes mrt 05 17:55:13 yes mrt 05 17:55:18 yes mrt 05 17:55:28 Abstain mrt 05 17:55:34 no mrt 05 17:55:39 no mrt 05 17:55:42 * Lear gives voice to SuperAsia mrt 05 17:55:44 abstain mrt 05 17:55:46 yes mrt 05 17:56:02 Okay. mrt 05 17:56:07 Seems like far more yes than no. mrt 05 17:56:09 7-16-3 mrt 05 17:56:14 * Lear gives voice to CRAIG mrt 05 17:56:20 mistakes were made mrt 05 17:56:21 HELLO CRAIG mrt 05 17:56:23 Is that 7 for no, Paval. mrt 05 17:56:27 *? mrt 05 17:56:28 What if you remove the votes of people who stream? mrt 05 17:56:29 yes, 3 abstain mrt 05 17:56:46 7N 16Y 3A mrt 05 17:56:46 CA do the opinions of the people who stream count for less? mrt 05 17:56:50 what if you remove votes of people who don't watch? It goes both ways mrt 05 17:56:51 CA why would the votes of people who stream not matter? mrt 05 17:56:58 <[d]r[d]troit> They(we) are biased though, Lear mrt 05 17:56:59 CA - then you'd be asking people to vote on something which they have little stake in. mrt 05 17:56:59 I see roo, and two scoops and NFR as stream mrt 05 17:57:00 then it's actually only 4 less yes votes mrt 05 17:57:03 because of bias mrt 05 17:57:05 because the streamers have a direct interest mrt 05 17:57:05 Well they arent going to vote for their own loss tbh mrt 05 17:57:05 on this topic at least mrt 05 17:57:08 Everyone's biased. mrt 05 17:57:15 some more than others mrt 05 17:57:20 it's not black or white mrt 05 17:57:24 Keep in mind that "guys who are in IRC right now" isn't exactly a representative group to represent viewers, if you're talking about polling. I could've told you from the list of chatters that there would be a lot of yes votes. mrt 05 17:57:24 I stream and I'm in favor of both solutions. mrt 05 17:57:25 Everyone feels like they've got a stake in this because it's something they care about. mrt 05 17:57:26 * Mantis (Mantis@A2E092A3.B85B3871.C3649897.IP) has joined mrt 05 17:57:33 Not everyone in the comfy group wants to keep the comfy on the main channel. mrt 05 17:57:34 PMB I told people to show up. mrt 05 17:57:37 hosted anyways mrt 05 17:57:40 that's retarded. then why not remove anyone who posts in 4ccg from voting, since they could be biased? mrt 05 17:57:41 Make a hitbox poll and see what the chat thinks. mrt 05 17:57:46 <[d]r[d]troit> If they cared enough, they'd show up mrt 05 17:57:51 ^ mrt 05 17:57:54 ^ mrt 05 17:57:55 If only the people who cared one way showed up that's not my problem. mrt 05 17:57:56 most people don't care at all mrt 05 17:57:58 for the record i don't like the excuse of "don't like it don't watch it" cause i think there's always something to be gained by listening to criticism, but i think that we have to make a real difference between the people who don't want to watch comfy no matter what, and those who would like to watch it but for one reason or another don't like the way we're currently doing things mrt 05 17:58:00 a hitbox poll in the chat would be worse mrt 05 17:58:08 <[d]r[d]troit> Let's make a strawpoll then artificially inflate it mrt 05 17:58:09 Lear, I know you did, but even so, the reality is IRC=/=good demographic representation mrt 05 17:58:09 town hall was shoehorned and pretty much anyone who really cared could've at least sent some paste to Lear mrt 05 17:58:23 C6H12 saying dont like it dont watch isn't preventing criticism mrt 05 17:58:25 you can come and criticize mrt 05 17:58:26 Yea if people cared enough they would show up but they don't mrt 05 17:58:27 C6H12 I definitely don't want to use that argument to dismiss criticism but I feel it can still be used as an argument. mrt 05 17:58:28 Keep in mind that "bitching in 4ccg" isn't exactly a representative group to rerepsent viewers either, shit goes both ways. People who cared enough to vote came to IRC, people whod don't give a shit didnt. mrt 05 17:58:34 but saying "don't stream because I don't like it" is too much mrt 05 17:58:47 Remember when we did that Google Forms thing on stream? mrt 05 17:58:48 Besides, "should comfy be hosted" is a separate question I'd like to get to. mrt 05 17:58:50 since when the 4CC is a democratic organization anyway? mrt 05 17:58:54 PMB I've advertized now to people in /4ccg/ and through the 4CC discord to come here to have their opinions heard. mrt 05 17:58:59 >tfw no circlejerk to brigade a vote for me mrt 05 17:59:00 People just don't actually say criticism they just use 4ccg to bitch at people mrt 05 17:59:08 Boris, pls. It's not about me knowing best. This is a town hall for opinions. I'm sharing an opinion. mrt 05 17:59:08 I've seen NO ONE legit criticize a streamer on comfy channel mrt 05 17:59:13 So you would rather we call out names? mrt 05 17:59:23 yes mrt 05 17:59:27 <[d]r[d]troit> omg say my name mrt 05 17:59:30 I preferred it when it was as simple as if I received a notification that "the4chancup has gone online" outside of normal cup hours I'd get comfy hosted by people in the cup who I have some sort of 'relation' to. If I wanted to watch a random guy stream a random game I'd go scour the underbelly of twitch instead and even then I'd have better options. TO ME comfy was always about getting to know the people behind the cup in a different envi mrt 05 17:59:30 ronment. mrt 05 17:59:37 Fucking go for it as long as you can stay civil. mrt 05 17:59:39 i'm mostly interested to har the people whose opinion of comfy is negative as is but could be improved by x or y method mrt 05 17:59:46 Yes mack? If you're ready to use the term "mouth breather weeb" passive aggressively on 4ccg you're ready to say it on the stream caht mrt 05 17:59:53 Mack - name the names. mrt 05 17:59:55 if you hate someone that much you can deal with him mrt 05 18:00:10 * cemedygeld (cemedygeld@96036D27.9463D521.131694C1.IP) has left mrt 05 18:00:10 people who already don't watch comfy because they don't care still won't watch it anyway, so it's pointless to ask them mrt 05 18:00:15 gtfu being civil applies to you too. mrt 05 18:00:28 <[d]r[d]troit> HI BORS :D mrt 05 18:00:32 http://puu.sh/uvfvO/4669e1b078.png Is this getting out of hand? mrt 05 18:00:34 remember guys, friendship is magic mrt 05 18:00:34 I'm talking about general attitude mrt 05 18:00:38 but ok :( mrt 05 18:00:42 Everyone has had their fair chance to join in, anyone who wants voice gets voice. I'm all for improving what we have now but if these people actually care about improving what we have then they should've come to suggest their improvements. mrt 05 18:00:45 the thing of comfy streams is that i don't watch anything else on streaming services, except bob ross mrt 05 18:01:04 ok cool, now don't think I'm one of those guys making post about this on /4ccg/ I don't post there without at least a name mrt 05 18:01:16 getting mad at me is going to do nothing mrt 05 18:01:16 I think that the well known and experienced streamers should get the upper hand in hte whole comfy stream, since people like them and they know what they do mrt 05 18:01:22 honestly, i do agree some people take it too far by streamming with no mics, if you are going to stream, at least have the decency to talk during it, is pretty boring otherwise mrt 05 18:01:42 ana_mack thats not what I said, I was saying if you had problem and criticism toward a specific streamer you could deal with him personally mrt 05 18:01:48 * Bananamatic_ has quit (Ping timeout: 182 seconds) mrt 05 18:01:49 We're here to be civil Ana, so go for it. "Begin. The rest is easy." mrt 05 18:01:51 Fapoleon, Magical Manager - things mostly follow that pattern anyway. mrt 05 18:01:53 Fapoleon the only issue I see with that is, who is a "top lad" who gets priority? mrt 05 18:01:58 I'll agree one that: if you're gonna stream comfy, have a damn mic mrt 05 18:01:59 Fapoleon you have to be careful with regards to "well known and experienced streamers" mrt 05 18:02:01 If you have something that you think is upsetting to say, just say it. Don't think about it too hard. mrt 05 18:02:05 True True mrt 05 18:02:10 imo the rules apply to everyone or no one mrt 05 18:02:18 No double standards mrt 05 18:02:34 I would like more 4cc stuff though, instead of random games. Like if Cyclo streamed himself making the hype video that would be neat mrt 05 18:02:35 also Kekkels is racist and shouldn't be allowed to stream mrt 05 18:02:42 When do people steam with no mics? mrt 05 18:02:46 Yep i that was not a good argument, i just enjoy comfy so much i really don't mind who wtrams it mrt 05 18:02:48 I'm sure most people would want that ana mack mrt 05 18:02:50 I like GB and Sou, heck I've done a few co-op games on stream with Sou and Boris. However we already have a sign up calendar for people and giving some people priority isn't good imo. mrt 05 18:02:52 or if DrD did another stream to show how to make models mrt 05 18:02:53 It has happened, NFR. mrt 05 18:02:53 Someone mentioned earlier about the regular comfy folks generally self-policing - my question is, can you think of a situation where you've told someone they can't stream or that they've streamed enough over a period? mrt 05 18:02:56 <[d]r[d]troit> >not streaming with no game mrt 05 18:02:59 well, in that instance, I couldn't really do it unfortunately mrt 05 18:02:59 the only one i know who streams with no mic is sou lol mrt 05 18:03:01 <[d]r[d]troit> that's expanded brain tier mrt 05 18:03:21 my computer's barely powerful enough to handle Final Cut Pro and Motion, it'd die if i tried to stream mrt 05 18:03:24 @Duke - We tend to give people a chance during our deadair to see what they are like. mrt 05 18:03:24 Doyes polices the time very hard when he wants to stream super panty quest VI mrt 05 18:03:28 I think this whole thing is just a faux discussion. People in charge made up their mind before this meeting started, and it's just an excuse to shoot down people who are against the circlejerk. mrt 05 18:03:31 do i guess thats a case mrt 05 18:03:32 After a few small streams they are then brought in mrt 05 18:03:33 Actually DrD you do need to do another one just to help out those who don't know how to mrt 05 18:03:34 micless streams can be comfy as secondary source of noise in room in their own way mrt 05 18:03:49 ^ mrt 05 18:03:54 <[d]r[d]troit> If they don't, they should watch the VOD of the last one mrt 05 18:03:54 Same, i'd love to stream if i had a capable stream mrt 05 18:03:56 Not everyone is going to be able to talk all the time. mrt 05 18:04:02 <[d]r[d]troit> I don't know how else I could help them tbh mrt 05 18:04:04 Gonna have to agree that micless streams aren't optimal and if we're setting standards then WITH mic gets priority over WITHOUT mic. mrt 05 18:04:12 To be fair, the only micless stream I've seen is Roo, and that was because he was ill. mrt 05 18:04:14 Micless streams make no sense. Why would you stream without a microphone? What is the point? mrt 05 18:04:18 ^ mrt 05 18:04:20 Let's not get into a priority argument... mrt 05 18:04:23 BGP, that just sounds like sour grapes mrt 05 18:04:29 background noise really mrt 05 18:04:31 dude what? mrt 05 18:04:34 Magical_Manager and Marqod: Ok. I have never seen that, but if you say so then I believe you. (I am not being sarcastic. I know both of you well enough to know you are speaking straight) mrt 05 18:04:38 i mean, longplays are a thing for a reason mrt 05 18:04:53 * Alfonso has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 18:04:54 BGP again how is that relative to COmfy in general, shouldn't you have specific streamer in mind for this? mrt 05 18:04:55 "the whole thing is a faux discussion" mrt 05 18:04:58 Yeah, background noise mrt 05 18:05:01 * DBP (Darkbow@1E6EB04C.C7D5487B.BE4C083.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:05:01 * Darkbow_ has quit (Connection reset by peer) mrt 05 18:05:07 BGP I kinda agree for the microphone thing mrt 05 18:05:11 mic should get priority over nomic mrt 05 18:05:13 I've been greatly enjoying bent's streaming of Breath of the Wild these last few days mrt 05 18:05:22 HES BEEN DOING WHAT mrt 05 18:05:24 I feel like people have little issue with comfy, but with specific streamers, and yet they won't name who they dislike. mrt 05 18:05:26 The game is supremely comfy, so sometimes talking over it can actually diminish the comfy mrt 05 18:05:28 I just don't get why some want to tear down the whole channel because of petty problems mrt 05 18:05:32 I'm trying not to snap back at BGP and trying to see his point of view, but honestly, some people don't have mics mrt 05 18:05:41 <[d]r[d]troit> REMINDER THAT JOEL > MIKE mrt 05 18:05:45 PAVAL I'll have to check that out mrt 05 18:05:45 And some people can't talk mrt 05 18:05:46 <[d]r[d]troit> MIKE IS LOWEST PIROITY mrt 05 18:05:47 thank you mrt 05 18:05:51 * Lear gives voice to TacticalFail mrt 05 18:05:52 nobody wants to tear down the whole channel mrt 05 18:05:58 Gonna have to agree with torytorytory here. But since there's apparently an issue to solve I'm trying my best to think about """solutions""". mrt 05 18:05:59 Mine's pretty shit and while I do use it, it makes me sound terrible mrt 05 18:05:59 also @Mack if people want to do more 4cc-related stuff, we'll let them take over scheduled comfy time anyday mrt 05 18:06:03 The hosting I meant* mrt 05 18:06:08 If we get into an argument over "priority" then it's going to throw the booking system we already have, that works fine, out of whack mrt 05 18:06:14 So I think we're getting bogged down in specifics in regards to hosting priority mrt 05 18:06:19 Also BGP I never, ever see you in the channel when anyone is streaming mrt 05 18:06:20 Well yeah I saw that with First Bait mrt 05 18:06:22 So how do you know? mrt 05 18:06:24 can we move into one of the other listed topics? mrt 05 18:06:25 I would love it as well but as it stands comfy is literally there to fill in over what would be radio silence otherwise mrt 05 18:06:28 The Booking system works great if people book i nadvance mrt 05 18:06:34 drmchsr0 but mics do the comfy in general, is not the same watching germanbro talking about how his date went while driving a truck, that a voiceless streamer with just the ingame radio mrt 05 18:06:39 in that we was allowed to take over the stream mrt 05 18:06:39 * Darkbow_ (Darkbow@1E6EB04C.C7D5487B.BE4C083.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:06:40 BGP does watch comfy, I remember him there. mrt 05 18:06:40 * DBP has quit (Connection reset by peer) mrt 05 18:06:42 But you got people that come in and say "can i stream in 20 mins" mrt 05 18:06:43 They already do book in advance mrt 05 18:06:47 Yeah, there's also no priority. People like Sou, Boris and GB don't show up and push people out. Also what Fapoleon said - book in advance. mrt 05 18:06:47 Yes I think we should move on to a simpler topic. mrt 05 18:06:49 But let's refrain from the ad hominem. mrt 05 18:07:03 Lear do we re-freeze chat and start with individual speeches for the next topic on the paste-bin list? mrt 05 18:07:11 <[d]r[d]troit> Probably should mrt 05 18:07:13 Roo please, not everyone puts slots on the calendar in advance. mrt 05 18:07:13 Roo, I tune in every now and then and leave if it's something I'm not interested. Would you rather I stuck around and complained in the chat? mrt 05 18:07:13 Nah. Anyway the second topic is simpler. mrt 05 18:07:17 I'll agree that mics make the experience better, but it's not a necessity mrt 05 18:07:33 No, you already do what I said people should do. mrt 05 18:07:34 sorry meant to PM that question mrt 05 18:07:36 So why complain? mrt 05 18:07:41 I think that the relatively simple solution is that if you don't like it, you're free to leave. mrt 05 18:07:41 some people like commentary others don't, it's a stylistic choice mrt 05 18:07:42 Yes/No should PES invitationals get hosted on the main chanell and take priority over comfy? mrt 05 18:07:47 Yes mrt 05 18:07:48 yes mrt 05 18:07:48 Yes mrt 05 18:07:48 Yes mrt 05 18:07:49 YEs mrt 05 18:07:49 yes mrt 05 18:07:50 Yes mrt 05 18:07:51 yes obviously mrt 05 18:07:52 yes mrt 05 18:07:53 Can we go one at a time? mrt 05 18:07:54 yes mrt 05 18:07:54 Yes mrt 05 18:07:54 resounding yes, move on mrt 05 18:07:54 yes mrt 05 18:07:55 YES mrt 05 18:07:56 <[d]r[d]troit> Yes mrt 05 18:07:56 yes mrt 05 18:07:57 Yes mrt 05 18:07:58 YE mrt 05 18:07:58 yes mrt 05 18:07:59 yes mrt 05 18:08:01 i doubt this was ever a point of contemption tbh mrt 05 18:08:01 *Yes mrt 05 18:08:03 YES mrt 05 18:08:04 Yes. mrt 05 18:08:04 Yes mrt 05 18:08:08 fuck yes mrt 05 18:08:12 PES cup events, like invitationals, have a place on the main channel when they involve actual cup teams, because that means the events will have a direct and broad appeal to cup fans. These are a great opportunity for small market teams to gain some visibility and also to test variant rule sets in a transparent way. mrt 05 18:08:12 Board specific tournaments, like /vg/L and the /mlp/ Friendship Tests, don't belong on the main channel. Random fake team invitationals belong on the main channel even less. mrt 05 18:08:13 Right moving on now that this is firmly established. mrt 05 18:08:18 yes mrt 05 18:08:22 Nobody complained for that mrt 05 18:08:34 cup shit always takes over. that's the original purpose for the channel mrt 05 18:08:38 <[d]r[d]troit> >/vg/l doesn't deserve main stream time mrt 05 18:08:44 * TheWorst (Mibbit@12932046.33AACBE2.EC098E2F.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:08:44 So PMB you don't think /vg/L should be hosted? mrt 05 18:08:45 top cup mrt 05 18:08:47 I think the /vg/ league is diverse enough that it belongs on the cup channel mrt 05 18:08:56 wait, /vg/L is literally an invitational though mrt 05 18:09:01 Plus it still relates to 4chan and Diveball. mrt 05 18:09:02 * MagicBlue (MagicBlue@78B8606D.F7F5BA85.CA7E300F.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:09:04 but he doesn't like it mrt 05 18:09:07 so it doesn't count mrt 05 18:09:15 Even the friendship test could be on the main channel mrt 05 18:09:18 Lear My personal preference would be not to host /vg/L, but on the other hand I think /vg/L is more deserving of being hosted than random comfy vidya. mrt 05 18:09:21 I think that all Invitationals that are on the Wiki should be on the Main channel mrt 05 18:09:25 the problem is on your side PMB not us mrt 05 18:09:25 * SUPERtwinky (SUPERtwink@F7D20F37.63466868.53660EB6.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:09:26 so a quick hot opinion here, if the /vg/L is allowed, should the /mlp/ Friendship Tests be allowed too? mrt 05 18:09:28 <[d]r[d]troit> Sorry for doign this again bors, but yeah mrt 05 18:09:29 because that seems like the same thing. mrt 05 18:09:32 Isn't the /vg/l part or /vg/ positions? mrt 05 18:09:32 If it's on the wiki, it's 4cc mrt 05 18:09:35 <[d]r[d]troit> If /mlp/ wants main stream time for their thing, do it mrt 05 18:09:37 yeah Fapoleon's got it imo mrt 05 18:09:38 You're actually complaining about people streaming PES on the 4chan PES cup channel? mrt 05 18:09:41 Fake team invitationals also seem to be good testing grounds for new Managers and Commentators mrt 05 18:09:42 <[d]r[d]troit> like we can turn it off mrt 05 18:09:42 By main channel, do you mean hosted or streamed on main channel? mrt 05 18:09:50 i support double standards against horses mrt 05 18:09:54 They would be allowed but I don't think PMB wants them to be hosted. mrt 05 18:10:01 Yea I learned a lot from the fake invitationals mrt 05 18:10:07 If we're gonna make standards then don't make them double standards. mrt 05 18:10:14 I would rather screw up there than on the main competitions mrt 05 18:10:16 not everyone has access to the main channel, for good reasons i think mrt 05 18:10:18 * Lear gives voice to MagicBlue mrt 05 18:10:19 Hosted or Streamed it is the same to me imo, but as long as it appears on the main channel it works mrt 05 18:10:21 I think PES invitationals of any kind are always more relevant than comfy, and they should go on the main channel unless there's a more important official cup tournament. mrt 05 18:10:21 this faggot doesn't want double standards... mrt 05 18:10:23 I mean, the VGL is part of the 4cc by being the selections for the main /vg/ team mrt 05 18:10:25 pony inivtationals are legal on main channel mrt 05 18:10:29 I mean we got The main channel Hosting QD right now mrt 05 18:10:34 For the FLGS mrt 05 18:10:51 well yeah, but we're discussing if *doing this* should change mrt 05 18:10:57 I agree with CRAIG only matches hosted should be matches approved by CRAIG mrt 05 18:11:02 I don't see why it should mrt 05 18:11:12 (I don't think it should and I think at least a strong majority agrees that PES invitationals should be hosted, as long as they're planned and organized ahead of time) mrt 05 18:11:12 if it's divegrass, it should go up there mrt 05 18:11:20 Yep mrt 05 18:11:23 /vg/l is drawing hundreds of viewers mrt 05 18:11:26 and I'm saying that as someone that typically does not care for watching invitationals or testing mrt 05 18:11:27 Plus 1 for Craig there. mrt 05 18:11:28 at all mrt 05 18:11:28 and either way it's pes mrt 05 18:11:29 Somebody actually found a way to disagree with this mrt 05 18:11:34 I'm fucking baffled mrt 05 18:11:34 It's a PES event. It SHOULD be on the main channel mrt 05 18:11:35 no reason not to host vgl mrt 05 18:11:38 This seems like a good moment for a poll about "are any and all invitationals allowed" mrt 05 18:11:38 If its divegrass, or 4chan teams vs the 4chan teams in any sport mrt 05 18:11:43 i'm fine with bumping comfy with like a few days notice mrt 05 18:11:46 Regardless he has a right to disagree. mrt 05 18:11:51 Reminder to watch FLGS III since it's on mrt 05 18:11:52 if the invitational is listed on the wiki mrt 05 18:11:53 i'm not familiar with how far out this shit gets scheduled mrt 05 18:11:54 then it's game mrt 05 18:11:57 ^ mrt 05 18:11:58 done mrt 05 18:11:59 MOnths usually mrt 05 18:12:12 yeah see that's a bit extreme mrt 05 18:12:17 Yea, if it's on the wiki it goes on the main channel mrt 05 18:12:18 I'm not prepared to fight and die over /vg/L. PES events are always more deserving of hosting than non-PES events. My personal, biased preference is for the main channel to be used to stream cup events with broad appeal. When you get niche streams, like /vg/L, it doesn't "need" to be on there. mrt 05 18:12:19 if someone wants to stream an invitational mrt 05 18:12:23 VGL chooses the spots for the /vg/ team. it's 4cc related no matter how much you don't like it mrt 05 18:12:27 It gives people time to learn how to make asythetics and stuff mrt 05 18:12:28 but only has a specific weekend mrt 05 18:12:34 comfy should get the boot mrt 05 18:12:34 Should any and all invitationals be allowed to be hosted? Yes/No mrt 05 18:12:36 It took me a while to learn how to make /toontown/ mrt 05 18:12:39 Yes mrt 05 18:12:39 YES mrt 05 18:12:41 yes mrt 05 18:12:41 Yes mrt 05 18:12:44 yes mrt 05 18:12:45 Yes mrt 05 18:12:45 Yes, given cup rules and banlists mrt 05 18:12:47 Support /4ccg/'s assertion that the calendar should be more publicly available (a wiki page or something), USE it as often as possible and communicate to make people aware of things happening. mrt 05 18:12:48 Pony_me_bro check the vgl viewership mrt 05 18:12:48 yes mrt 05 18:12:49 yes mrt 05 18:12:49 Yes mrt 05 18:12:51 YES mrt 05 18:12:53 yes if they are on the wiki mrt 05 18:12:55 There we go moving on. mrt 05 18:12:55 also yes mrt 05 18:12:55 sure mrt 05 18:12:55 yes and seconding what MagicBlue said mrt 05 18:12:57 maybe mrt 05 18:13:00 YES mrt 05 18:13:03 yes mrt 05 18:13:05 * SUPERtwinky has quit (Connection reset by peer) mrt 05 18:13:06 "Any and all invitationals" Assuming that includes shit like /discord/, then no. mrt 05 18:13:08 <[d]r[d]troit> Y E S mrt 05 18:13:17 * SUPERtwinky (SUPERtwink@F7D20F37.63466868.53660EB6.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:13:19 And yes the rules do apply to people hosting, mrt 05 18:13:31 So how should the calendar be improved. mrt 05 18:13:39 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Calendar mrt 05 18:13:44 <[d]r[d]troit> We've had discussions about teams like /discord/, and dissallowing them mrt 05 18:13:50 Move it to the description of the main channel, for one, Lear. mrt 05 18:13:53 <[d]r[d]troit> for futre FB events at least mrt 05 18:13:59 I'm in favor of bumping off comfy for cup events given that there is enough prior notice (hi Pybro), but I don't think there's been any issues with that. mrt 05 18:14:04 It's already there mrt 05 18:14:05 <[d]r[d]troit> I'd assume other memevitational streamers would abide by that too mrt 05 18:14:12 i mean, we literally had the /ag/ League hosted before iirc and people enjoyed it mrt 05 18:14:15 Literally what scoops put in, use the MediaWiki calendar extension, put a link to it on the front of implyingrigged.info, give /merit/ 'official' control on it mrt 05 18:14:22 What f4r said is perfect. A calendar for events streamed on the main channel should be easily visible and accessible on the wiki. Since I would prefer the comfy channel to not be hosted 24/7, I'm not as concerned about their calendar. mrt 05 18:14:27 no reason to not do it for other invitationals mrt 05 18:14:34 <[d]r[d]troit> >/m/ scored mrt 05 18:14:35 if it's scheduled on the wiki, meaning they already know the date and time, then it should be on the calendar mrt 05 18:14:46 it takes 5 seconds to add something to the calendar mrt 05 18:14:49 Color code actual divegrass events and then host only those :^) mrt 05 18:14:54 CRAIG is right mrt 05 18:14:59 make the calendar more accessible mrt 05 18:14:59 * COMFYFOREVER has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 18:15:00 Is reading so hard? mrt 05 18:15:04 * Darkbow_ has quit (Connection reset by peer) mrt 05 18:15:04 most people have no idea where the fuck it is mrt 05 18:15:06 The Friendship Tests are not on the main channel because even if people will never give us credit for it, /mlp/ recognizes that the majority of the cup watching audience isnt interested in ponies and forcing it on them whenever we can would have a bad effect on the cup. mrt 05 18:15:08 It takes 5 seconds for someone with access to the calendar mrt 05 18:15:08 oh god Ic ant see anything mrt 05 18:15:17 True but is the 'calendar' even an official thing right now? I understand that it's in the cup channel description but it's difficult to get to and it's managed by who knows who. mrt 05 18:15:17 it's linked on the hitbox stream page mrt 05 18:15:19 The calendar has always been there. It's been working fine for ages. mrt 05 18:15:22 there we go mrt 05 18:15:27 Okay here's a question, how much time should be given for legit 4cc related things to take priority? I know the immediate answer is "any time" but we want to avoid future Pybro situations. mrt 05 18:15:28 personally, I think it should be in the header to the chat, so it's MORE visible mrt 05 18:15:28 can you see this? mrt 05 18:15:33 <[d]r[d]troit> If they wanted it on the main stream, it should be over other things tbh mrt 05 18:15:48 <[d]r[d]troit> ab/mlp/ though i be, it's still virtual divegrass mrt 05 18:15:49 Header to the chat, stream description, on the wiki. mrt 05 18:15:51 Just put it on the wiki and add invitationals why are you against that? mrt 05 18:15:54 <[d]r[d]troit> should take priority mrt 05 18:15:55 4 days mrt 05 18:15:57 any time as long as it is communicated in advance mrt 05 18:16:02 BGP I don't want to host the Friendship Tests on the main channel but I do want there to be an equal standard in the case people DO want it hosted on the main channel. mrt 05 18:16:04 and not 2 fucking hours before mrt 05 18:16:11 Any time with room for shitting on and insulting people that come in with no notice. mrt 05 18:16:15 a week minimum mrt 05 18:16:15 a week mrt 05 18:16:21 week seems like a fine time mrt 05 18:16:23 24 hours mrt 05 18:16:26 >24 hours mrt 05 18:16:28 hi Pybro mrt 05 18:16:34 again, if you know you're doing this, you need to call that shit out mrt 05 18:16:35 4days for the cup season 3 days or maybe 72 hours for non-cup steason mrt 05 18:16:37 what Imaasie says mrt 05 18:16:42 You just know that if the Friendship tests get hosted on the main channel that 4ccg is gonna go full pitchfork mode mrt 05 18:16:56 Pitchfork rates the Friendships Tests 10/10 mrt 05 18:16:56 I'll support a week mrt 05 18:16:57 let them get mad mrt 05 18:16:59 4ccg goes on pitchfork mode already mrt 05 18:17:06 I don't think you need to take any action and try to regulate the stream to avoid another Pybro incident mrt 05 18:17:09 I'd say two weeks. A week is a good time though. mrt 05 18:17:11 it's another case of "if you don't like it, you don't have to watch it" mrt 05 18:17:15 Fapoleon as long as its PES relevant they shouldn't have any complaint mrt 05 18:17:16 that just seems like him being an idiot and doing whateverthefuck for no apparent reason mrt 05 18:17:18 they can get out mrt 05 18:17:22 Anything less and the request gets denied, with further requests getting the person warnings and eventually flat out banned from streaming comfy if the fucker persists mrt 05 18:17:24 Seriously, when are you gonna have a cup event that ISN'T planned at least a week in advance? If it's planned 24 hours before it happens it's gonna be a disaster like the first F4CC this year. mrt 05 18:17:30 A week if near or around official cup events, less if not mrt 05 18:17:32 The friendship tests aren't the VGL. One is for the roster of the /vg/ is other is a test cup mrt 05 18:17:38 re: calendar, i've brought up the idea of having a chat bot link to it every half hour or so mrt 05 18:17:39 gtfu true, i support all pes related tournaments happening on the main channel mrt 05 18:17:40 <[d]r[d]troit> When winter is on and you want to drive cars, iMaasie mrt 05 18:17:43 * Darkbow (Darkbow@1E6EB04C.C7D5487B.BE4C083.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:18:01 So plan that shit ahead, like I said, the first F4CC this year was a disaster. No music, shitty camera work, etc. mrt 05 18:18:08 If you don't like Ponies you can always tune up to 4ccg and watch the salt _/o\_ mrt 05 18:18:14 The calendar is easy, it's been fine under Boris and GB so far. Giving other people control of it just allows more people to say "I don't like you therefore you can't stream" mrt 05 18:18:16 Yeah, but we're having this discussion because Pybro's lack of communication and idiocy set fire to /4ccg/, who was smoking already for like half a year. mrt 05 18:18:16 a week for durung cup season mrt 05 18:18:16 But Sillius the question is can we reasonably prevent another Pybro from happening while still giving the correct events priority. mrt 05 18:18:18 *during mrt 05 18:18:18 Agrees with Cyclo, that would kill 2 birds with one stone on the "Who's streaming?" question, too. mrt 05 18:18:34 Yes we can Lear mrt 05 18:18:34 Yep, if people get together to plan out schedules, and what to stream and who streams in time, there should not be any issues mrt 05 18:18:39 just tell pybro what's what and we should be okay from now on honestly mrt 05 18:18:42 it's called punitive punishment mrt 05 18:18:42 No Bully was a cute invitational, DukeSilver pls mrt 05 18:18:51 He had plenty of time to book himself in mrt 05 18:18:53 Ban Pybro from streaming, is all mrt 05 18:18:59 He didn't and just assumed mrt 05 18:19:18 While I agree with preventing these situations Lear, sometimes you have to accept that people are just fucking idiots. It seems that a lot of questions are being answered though, because this discussion is revealing that it's almost as if people DON'T think there's a calendar and people DON'T think cup events and invitationals have been given priority. mrt 05 18:19:22 Yeah Lear and my point is you shouldn't change the rules - just punish Pybro. Tell him he's an idiot or renew the stream key so he can't do it again really. mrt 05 18:19:23 We wouldn't have the problem if he actually booked himself in. mrt 05 18:19:25 Because "Just assuming" was good enough for a long time. Not trying to defend him but that's been how it was for years mrt 05 18:19:27 "They don't want to shove aside for F4CC??? RIOT" mrt 05 18:19:49 IMO, the priority list should be: Official 4CC > PES Invitiationals > Non-PES 4CC related > Non-PES non-4CC related > Fucking Nothing mrt 05 18:19:49 Why should comfy get any warning, they can fuck off and stream on there own channels.Nothing of value lost mrt 05 18:19:49 it's just negligence mrt 05 18:20:07 what tactical fail is saying mrt 05 18:20:11 >when shitposters falseflagging as comfy streamers shitposted in /4ccg/ like "is this the quality stream you asked for" while Pybro put on another uninspiring show mrt 05 18:20:13 we should probably keep a tighter control on things during pre/post cup days mrt 05 18:20:15 It's true that was how it was, now we're gonna have some form of workflow mrt 05 18:20:21 and process mrt 05 18:20:35 because that's when things like 4ccc are most likely to happen mrt 05 18:20:37 it's not just a warning to comfy, it's for the people that look at the schedule to see what's happening mrt 05 18:20:42 Notice and scheduling aside, if something of higher precedence wants to kick something of lower precedence out, then it should be negotiated, but with scheduling time and priority kept in mind mrt 05 18:20:47 * anon_649 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 18:20:50 Because anon there is a schedule for a reason. comfy has always taken the minimal priority but properly scheduling things is at the minimum an acceptable courtosy. mrt 05 18:21:04 Comfy only really happens when there is no cup mrt 05 18:21:10 So if you're not watching, why care? mrt 05 18:21:11 There's a schedule for a reason. And once again, if you have that short of a notice, your event is probably gonna be garbage. mrt 05 18:21:12 if you're gonna run an event, it's common courtesy to make sure people can know about it mrt 05 18:21:13 * Lear gives voice to Mantis mrt 05 18:21:13 Comfy seems to self regulate very well. mrt 05 18:21:22 When you talk about a specific amount of "warning" to give for streaming 4cc events, that also kind of ignores one off things like SDA literally just buying PES 17 that day and wanting to try it out on stream mrt 05 18:21:28 He wasn't exactly going to be able to give notice for that mrt 05 18:21:40 Ex: if Bors is streaming something precup that isn't 4CC and someone wants to jump in a day before with 4CC wrassling, Wrassling should be considered to trump Bors mrt 05 18:21:55 * Flow (Mibbit@823266CB.C5CAD66.5B4E04B9.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:21:58 Alternative_Roo because I care about comfy when people I know are streaming - not when you lot do. It's not that I have anything against you specifically I just don't care about you. mrt 05 18:22:01 And he would certianly agree with that mrt 05 18:22:12 DukeSilver I'd say that's PES comfy at most mrt 05 18:22:12 Then why are you here? mrt 05 18:22:16 it's kinda like if Boris decided to have the cup streamed 3 hours earlier than planned -- most people would disagree if this wasn't announced beforehand mrt 05 18:22:18 like I said before I liked it better when it was as simple as "the4chancup has gone online" outside of regularly scheduled cup times mrt 05 18:22:22 it was simple and comfy mrt 05 18:22:37 <[d]r[d]troit> Here's a hypothetical: If someone wants to stream a 4cc event while another event of equal level is being streamed (i.e. f4cc situation, but with Polybius' 4ccw), which one takes priority? The one scheduled in advance, right? mrt 05 18:22:45 yes mrt 05 18:22:47 * SUPERtwinky_ (SUPERtwink@F7D20F37.63466868.53660EB6.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:22:47 Well we had to change that because people bitched about getting notices mrt 05 18:22:48 Yeah mrt 05 18:22:48 yeah mrt 05 18:22:48 Of coursh mrt 05 18:22:49 yes mrt 05 18:22:51 Which is why we have a schedule. mrt 05 18:22:51 YES mrt 05 18:22:51 I'd say yes mrt 05 18:22:54 yes mrt 05 18:22:55 *yes mrt 05 18:22:56 Yep mrt 05 18:23:00 if you didn't schedule it, it's your fault mrt 05 18:23:09 sillius, this is literally the horsefucker argument from the start of comfy mrt 05 18:23:10 yeah but i'm sure both parties can also come to an agreement in that instance, DrD mrt 05 18:23:14 Yeah mrt 05 18:23:18 Keeping a good schedule is key to no clusterfuck mrt 05 18:23:19 Okayso? mrt 05 18:23:33 We haven't had a clusterfuck mrt 05 18:23:39 We've been schedualing fine ourselves mrt 05 18:23:48 I am not saying we had, i am just saying it prevents cluterfucks mrt 05 18:23:49 How many cup related events happen between monday to friday anyway? mrt 05 18:23:53 You void all rights to bumping people off if you don't schedule it in time. mrt 05 18:23:55 Also a schedule prevents other Cup relating things from overlapping. mrt 05 18:24:09 Dude just allow the god damn schedule oh the wiki mrt 05 18:24:15 It just makes it a lot more convenient for everyone mrt 05 18:24:19 also yeah schedule on the wiki. mrt 05 18:24:19 Yeah just make it easily accessible mrt 05 18:24:19 Being organized is a great way to do things. I think it would be hard for someone to string together a cup event at a moments notice and not have at least a couple or several days to get everything needed mrt 05 18:24:19 Also the comfy people aren't going to be butthurt if you clear a weekend or two for an event. mrt 05 18:24:23 What is your problem with that Roo? mrt 05 18:24:23 the only issue I've ever had with the schedule is Gortef scheduling a slot into infinity mrt 05 18:24:32 Schedule will go on the wiki, that seems straight forward. mrt 05 18:24:37 That seems good mrt 05 18:24:40 * SUPERtwinky has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) mrt 05 18:24:41 * Old_Man_Sou (Old_Man_So@27BA2588.4E5D22E8.3DEDFD6E.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:24:41 Agreed. mrt 05 18:24:44 I never said I would have a problem with it being on the wiki mrt 05 18:24:45 Slots need to have start and end times. mrt 05 18:24:52 <[d]r[d]troit> Just make a rule that you have to schedule in advance unless it's completely unavoidable AND high priority like the SEA PES 17 mrt 05 18:24:55 <[d]r[d]troit> *SDA mrt 05 18:24:56 in fact the one time we had problems was with Pybro not using the calendar and shoehorning his stream in mrt 05 18:25:01 * anon_765 (Mibbit@737BC30F.554A2E19.6ADD5731.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:25:08 $ mrt 05 18:25:14 $ mrt 05 18:25:18 $ mrt 05 18:25:21 sorry misstell :( mrt 05 18:25:33 what Cyclo said mrt 05 18:25:34 SDA doesnt get a pass on scheduling ahead of time mrt 05 18:25:38 So are invitational going on there too? I hope maybe /jp/ will be in more since I'll actually know about them mrt 05 18:25:39 Next topic: how do we make the 4CC a money making operation? mrt 05 18:25:48 Craig makes a great point about Gortef, but I give Gortef a pass, because he's a supremely nice lad and would probably gladly work with you if you wanted to stream during that time. mrt 05 18:25:50 Isn't it already one? :^) mrt 05 18:25:52 CRAIG: stream porn mrt 05 18:25:58 yeah invitationals on the calandar too mrt 05 18:26:01 t-shirts mrt 05 18:26:03 well craig i know this website called streambig.com mrt 05 18:26:05 Real next topic? Does anyone care if the comfy chanell has the 4cc name attatched to it? mrt 05 18:26:09 sell noods of 4cc streamers mrt 05 18:26:11 no mrt 05 18:26:12 No mrt 05 18:26:13 no mrt 05 18:26:13 No mrt 05 18:26:13 Keep it mrt 05 18:26:14 yes and no mrt 05 18:26:14 no mrt 05 18:26:14 No mrt 05 18:26:15 no mrt 05 18:26:18 nope mrt 05 18:26:21 not really mrt 05 18:26:21 no mrt 05 18:26:23 why yes *and* no cyclo :^^^^^) mrt 05 18:26:25 I don't think Boris needed to create a third channel, but now that it exists I think it was a nice gesture. mrt 05 18:26:26 Why was there a new channel anyway? mrt 05 18:26:28 no mrt 05 18:26:34 <[d]r[d]troit> No mrt 05 18:26:34 It doesn't hurt anything and staves off some complaints mrt 05 18:26:34 could be like /4ccg/ or shit, but not really mrt 05 18:26:34 hmmmm mrt 05 18:26:34 no? mrt 05 18:26:38 no mrt 05 18:26:38 Leaning yes. I think a lot of people forget that we are not "accepted" by 4chan staff, we're tolerated. mrt 05 18:26:39 because it changes how i want to do my stream, PAVAL mrt 05 18:26:42 no mrt 05 18:26:46 oh really :^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^) mrt 05 18:26:56 <[d]r[d]troit> There was a new channel in semi-panic response to /4ccg/, Ana_Mack mrt 05 18:26:59 no mrt 05 18:27:01 I really don't care about the name being attached as long as the same folks are still there, fans of the 4chancup. mrt 05 18:27:02 I'm not sure what "care" means in this case mrt 05 18:27:03 But cyclo, you're already on the comfy stream mrt 05 18:27:04 lear mrt 05 18:27:06 yeah but twitch it was really bad mrt 05 18:27:08 please explain mrt 05 18:27:17 I thought the thing was being hostmodded and not the name? mrt 05 18:27:21 The whole point of it is to have fun with fellow fans. mrt 05 18:27:21 for hitbox they at least tolerate us more and their admins willingly shitpost with us mrt 05 18:27:30 I think you should re-ask the question, Lear. Because I don't have a problem with "4chan" being in the name, but like PMB said, the new channel kinda feels better mrt 05 18:27:31 yeah but i wouldn't do the same content on a stream that was related with the 4cc and one that wasn't mrt 05 18:27:33 rip VODs mrt 05 18:27:36 <[d]r[d]troit> Plus it's less circlejerky than hosting individual channels mrt 05 18:27:37 turning the 4CC into a personality parade is not going to do wonders for the tolerance 4chan mods have for the cup mrt 05 18:27:40 so i don't think having the 4chan name is going to detract from anything mrt 05 18:27:53 <[d]r[d]troit> And a cetral hub for VODs for memevitationals and other stuff like the blender tutorial stream mrt 05 18:27:59 I agree that for most of the people who actually sit around and watch comfy they mrt 05 18:28:04 are there to do it with fellow 4cc fans mrt 05 18:28:08 so it's "4cc" in that sense only mrt 05 18:28:14 ^ mrt 05 18:28:15 Mods ignore the 4CC already mrt 05 18:28:18 * anon_240 (Mibbit@BBEF7080.465F2981.8855D857.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:28:27 the only thing mods care about is when /sp/ or /a/ raid people after a win mrt 05 18:28:35 * Lear gives voice to Gortef mrt 05 18:28:35 ^ mrt 05 18:28:43 WELL LOOK WHO'S HERE mrt 05 18:28:43 thank you Lear mrt 05 18:28:53 well, looking at the thread(s), i wouldn't say comfy streaming is what is dragging 4cc down from being tolerated more mrt 05 18:28:55 I don't know if any of you remember some of the stream groups they tried to do in /v/ a while back, but as soon as those threads became circle jerky and the same few people were doing the streaming the mods shut that down IMMEDIATELY. I wouldn't want that kind of situation. mrt 05 18:28:56 They're not going to care about using "4chan" people use 4chan in many places mrt 05 18:29:03 Craig: sorry that my infinite Thursday slot is giving you some issues, but I thought that the (Tentative) on it would give people a hint that I'm fine with rescheduling or even dropping it off if someone needs that slot for something more important OR wants to try streaming on that slot for a change mrt 05 18:29:13 * anon_240 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 18:29:17 Now kiss, you two. mrt 05 18:29:28 if the (Tentative) does not have that kind of a meaning, then it has been a language issue mrt 05 18:29:30 but I'm married to Gracen mrt 05 18:29:35 What are the 4chan mods going to do? Shut us down? mrt 05 18:29:35 so there's really a marriage today mrt 05 18:29:42 Mods are already aware of what we are mrt 05 18:29:48 Thats why we have "only vg sp and mlp" etc mrt 05 18:29:56 The thing is nobody has ever actually tried to dispute a scheduled slot even if they'd like to because it would be too much trouble or make them look like an asshole mrt 05 18:29:58 yeah i can see how that'd become a problem DukeSilver, this is why I took it seriously when people in the thread complained about watermarks mrt 05 18:30:03 This gets into "how should the channel be handled," but might as well post it now since we're talking "4CC" vs. "unaffiliated." Consider the following: the 4CCC doesn't "advertise or sanction" or even host Craig's Blackjack and Hookers stream. The comfy channel should be handled the same way for many of the same reasons. mrt 05 18:30:04 Random dudes playing random games has nothing to do with the 4CC, doesn't represent or reflect the 4CC in any way, and thus doesn't warrant 24/7 hosting on the main channel. In situations where the comfy channel is used to stream something topical, like a 4CC invitational for example, then I think it would be appropriate to host that content on the main chann mrt 05 18:30:09 channel. mrt 05 18:30:11 Within comfy streaming anyway mrt 05 18:30:16 MODS = FAGS for the most part mrt 05 18:30:25 Again, the hypothetical is "No 4chan cup threads at all". On any board. And I understand that things would still be going on in some form, but we should still respect the fact that this is the 4CHAN CUP, not the "80 people that are in IRC right now" cup. mrt 05 18:30:34 when is "Blackjack and Hookers"? mrt 05 18:30:42 no shut up mrt 05 18:30:44 why not just host invitational on the main cup stream at that point? mrt 05 18:30:48 Craig's streaming is literally hosted on Implyingrigged though mrt 05 18:30:57 I don't think anybody is isn't a fan of the 4CC in some way mrt 05 18:31:10 we are doing that mantis? mrt 05 18:31:13 aren't we? mrt 05 18:31:15 * Darkbow_ (Darkbow@1E6EB04C.C7D5487B.BE4C083.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:31:16 if you're not a fan of memes playing soccer what are you even doing here mrt 05 18:31:18 Scoops, all that has to do with anything is because I was hosting it out of a dropbox until they changed their service mrt 05 18:31:21 I mean like mrt 05 18:31:21 Scoops is right about disputing slots, or more specifically, not mrt 05 18:31:23 * Darkbow has quit (Connection reset by peer) mrt 05 18:31:26 directly through the channel mrt 05 18:31:28 * Darkbow_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) mrt 05 18:31:28 so Boris stuck my stream page on the server because it's his server and he can do that mrt 05 18:31:29 and not hostmodding mrt 05 18:31:37 * Marqod has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.0/20161104212021]) mrt 05 18:31:45 it has no affiliation with anything 4CC mrt 05 18:31:52 * matoro (matoro@AFEB307B.474343E4.B34646CA.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:31:53 * ordinate (ordinate@18CBF9BF.24042C2E.69C37973.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:32:04 DukeSilver: That's a great point, one I tried to raise earlier when the first poll was done. mrt 05 18:32:14 it's also not referenced anywhere on the wiki mrt 05 18:32:34 Mantis that might be the >mail thing mrt 05 18:32:41 it's also not even a hitbox stream, so it couldn't be hosted mrt 05 18:32:42 <[d]r[d]troit> There's limits to what we can do about that, though mrt 05 18:32:45 pretty much agreeing with pmb and duke there mrt 05 18:32:50 <[d]r[d]troit> the polling, i mean mrt 05 18:32:51 If that happen people will complain taht >this bunch of VGL people stream useless cup and I get mailed for it mrt 05 18:32:59 <[d]r[d]troit> It's not like people can't join as anons, though mrt 05 18:33:00 Gonna be honest this seems to be going no where mrt 05 18:33:07 So what's the solution to that. Is the name or the content the issue? mrt 05 18:33:21 I think if you remove the name, the content ceases to be an issue. mrt 05 18:33:35 I think removing the name would not do much mrt 05 18:33:39 so what's the use of the 4CC comfy channel then? mrt 05 18:33:45 <[d]r[d]troit> memevitationals mrt 05 18:33:47 removing the name isn't gonna change anything mrt 05 18:33:50 * Alternative_Roo has quit (Quit: ) mrt 05 18:33:58 PMB if we remove the name we become a self fulfilling circlejerk mrt 05 18:33:58 Events that don't need to be archived by Klaxa? I guess? mrt 05 18:34:02 It's going to serve the same purpose, the same people are gonna watch it mrt 05 18:34:09 including 4chan non-divegrass events? mrt 05 18:34:10 it wouldn't change shit. I don't come to the stream outside cup time to watch OFFICIALLY SANCTIONED 4CHAN MINEYCRAFTA. I just show up to see who's doing what mrt 05 18:34:17 ^ mrt 05 18:34:24 ^ mrt 05 18:34:32 ^ mrt 05 18:34:34 ^ mrt 05 18:34:34 \ mrt 05 18:34:37 ^* mrt 05 18:34:37 gtfu I wasn't placing much emphasis on the name. Like I said earlier, I don't think it was necessary for Boris to do that, but it was nice for him to. I had more to say on that once we got to the scheduled question about "quality control" mrt 05 18:34:50 imo it's never about who's streaming and always about what's being streamed mrt 05 18:34:57 Question, can we remove managers? mrt 05 18:35:01 Yes. mrt 05 18:35:02 yes mrt 05 18:35:02 'no' mrt 05 18:35:05 I'll remove you mrt 05 18:35:08 yes mrt 05 18:35:09 >removing GB mrt 05 18:35:11 REMOVE THIS MAN mrt 05 18:35:18 It was in reply to some saying "why are we nalmed 4cC" mrt 05 18:35:23 I meant remove him to a nice dinner geez mrt 05 18:35:26 <[d]r[d]troit> omg ban me GB mrt 05 18:35:27 <[d]r[d]troit> <3 mrt 05 18:35:28 I think we could end this conversation right now if there's a majority that agrees that comfy be moved to another channel and NEVER hostmoded on the main channel, apart from a few acceptable scenarios, like Boris' pre-cup stream warmup. mrt 05 18:35:37 i'm gonna remove your mother to a nice seafood dinner and never call her agian, duke mrt 05 18:35:39 also yes GB mrt 05 18:35:48 Except I don't think the majority agrees paval mrt 05 18:35:52 * matoro has quit (Client exited) mrt 05 18:35:54 well there isn't a majorit that agrees to that mrt 05 18:35:55 I almost responded to that with my real mother's name. Whoops mrt 05 18:35:56 PAVAL self-fulfilling circlejerk if that happens mrt 05 18:35:57 But Paval the vote from earlier said that people are fine with hosting continuing. mrt 05 18:35:57 problem is, paval, that's the minority opinion mrt 05 18:36:02 putting it on a handful of channels is retarded mrt 05 18:36:04 Wait mrt 05 18:36:04 Most people were more to give priority to PES event at all time but leave comfy as is mrt 05 18:36:04 yeah at this point i don't understand why you'd give pre-show a pass mrt 05 18:36:04 How the fuck mrt 05 18:36:05 It's pretty split, and favoring keepign the host if anything mrt 05 18:36:07 with a public calendar mrt 05 18:36:07 even though i'm all for that mrt 05 18:36:14 no i don't agree, either, /deadair/ may be patrician, but i don't like it mrt 05 18:36:15 I thought we were all right with comfy being hosted mrt 05 18:36:17 >it's pretty split mrt 05 18:36:22 what the fuck are you smoking mrt 05 18:36:26 Paval please mrt 05 18:36:30 I think there's a stark difference between "being okay with hostmode" and "preferring hostmode" mrt 05 18:36:34 I'm not sure the current flavor of comfy is that far off from a self-fulfilling circlejerk now. I'm sorry if that's insulting to anyone but it comes across as really insular mrt 05 18:36:43 ^ mrt 05 18:36:43 Paval I asked if it should be hosted. mrt 05 18:36:45 I don't really have a preference, but it's either all comfy stays, or all comfy is moved mrt 05 18:36:51 * anon_665 (Mibbit@985D91CF.5763846.BFDED589.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:36:54 But at least its a public circlejerk silver mrt 05 18:36:55 The initial vote was 7N 16Y 3A. Hardly an even split. mrt 05 18:36:59 making exceptions is preposterous mrt 05 18:37:01 <[d]r[d]troit> All i need is:Basic, unmodded PES, 1 commentator, play-by-play only, Teams whoose only customisation are the player names, All team running on exactly the same tactics without any "manager" input mrt 05 18:37:04 also, I still don't understand this concept of "THE CHANNEL SHOULD ONLY BE USED FOR CUP STUFF, PERIOD." I'm pretty sure that stadiums host concerts and shit like that when their teams aren't playing. Do you see people in team-color facepaint standing in the parking lot in protest? mrt 05 18:37:10 Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe this is the current consensus: prioritize cup events provided they give a reasonable (TBA) prior notice, allow comfy for the remaining dead air, hosted on the main channel. mrt 05 18:37:25 ^ mrt 05 18:37:26 I agree that making exceptions is preposterous mrt 05 18:37:35 That but also the calendar. mrt 05 18:37:40 So if there's a clear majority that want to keep hostmoding comfy streams WHENEVER they happen, now that we've gotten scheduling and priorities out of the way, we need to move onto the elephant topic. mrt 05 18:37:45 Quality control. mrt 05 18:37:45 * Crackrobat (Mibbit@BF460F16.42F60B45.97BC94EB.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:37:54 I don't know if we're following the schedule any more, so I'm going to drop in the quality control stuff. I think this is territory where a bunch of the people who latched onto comfy as a form of social network will get their feelings hurt, so you have to tread carefully. When content is put on the main channel, there's a reason why quality control comes into mrt 05 18:37:55 Craig Only mrt 05 18:37:57 done mrt 05 18:37:58 the picture. However, if you stop hosting the comfy channel on the main channel, you no longer have to worry about enforcing a standard of quality because that comfy content is no longer associated with the 4CC. I think that arrangement is in the interest of all involved. I'm sure nobody wants to have to tell some guy doing his best that he isn't good enough mrt 05 18:38:00 GB only, 24/7, including when he's sleeping (not being creepy) mrt 05 18:38:02 I think that cup events should always be prioritized regardless. Official 4cc preshows have been a thing since forever. It should be assumed there is no "comfy" then. mrt 05 18:38:03 to stream games online, and so long as he stays off the main channel, nobody has to. mrt 05 18:38:25 goddamn PMB, try to be natural for once mrt 05 18:38:25 <[d]r[d]troit> I'm with DukeSilver here mrt 05 18:38:38 if that were an option I would go with DukeSilver's idea tbh mrt 05 18:38:40 All of this has started essentially because people are upset that Smokey streams trucks and isn't as comfy as he thinks. He's a super nice lad of course, just not anywhere near the golden GB standard. mrt 05 18:38:54 ^ mrt 05 18:38:58 ^^ mrt 05 18:39:01 <[d]r[d]troit> ^^^ mrt 05 18:39:14 trya I wrote all of my answers out in advance earlier this week. I thought we were going to go one at a time, but the conversation kind of devolved. mrt 05 18:39:21 but to this I can only say "dedair is better than nothing" mrt 05 18:39:22 I streamed on a channel years ago that had an application system. You had to submit 3-5 clips of you streaming a game, proving that you could stream to a certain quality in terms of video, audio, and actually not just be a complete retard with a controller mrt 05 18:39:24 i think the no non-cup related events ever crowd needs to accept that they are going to have to compromise mrt 05 18:39:26 the moment you start favoritizing x or y streamer is the same moment you turn this shit into a circlejerk imo mrt 05 18:39:34 anyone that passed was in. anyone that failed could re-apply mrt 05 18:39:35 wait I screwed that up mrt 05 18:39:47 Pony_me_bro: the problem is, you're getting unhearable, try to summarize your argument mrt 05 18:39:53 >devolved mrt 05 18:40:00 I actually kind of like CRAIG's idea mrt 05 18:40:07 This is how conversations work PMB lmao. People contribute, react, contribute again, react, etc. mrt 05 18:40:08 but who's gonna be the judge mrt 05 18:40:10 * anon_765 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 18:40:15 ME mrt 05 18:40:15 * torytorytory has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 18:40:16 So Craig how would that function for us? mrt 05 18:40:17 I think that as long as the person can work OBS, isn't streaming to prevent others from streaming, and is able to do audio (sound and voice) then they should be allowed mrt 05 18:40:18 I honestly get a little uneasy when people that aren't involved in the cup in some fashion are streaming. I know that's a strange opinion to have, but it just seems weird when people utilize the cup stream that aren't otherwise involved in the cup mrt 05 18:40:34 that seems fair to me craig, but that also sounds like a lot of trouble for filling free time mrt 05 18:40:38 honestly, you'd need to appoint someone(s) to be in charge of comfy mrt 05 18:40:39 uneasy probably isn't the right word, it just seems strange mrt 05 18:40:44 actually a Craig, GB & Boris jury wouldn't be the worst mrt 05 18:40:49 trya: Here you go: if you don't hostmode comfy 24/7 and don't call it 4CC, there's no need for quality police. Problem solved. mrt 05 18:40:52 it can just be handled the way we handle commentary on the cup really mrt 05 18:40:52 ~fin~ mrt 05 18:40:54 I've already made my point regarding streamer quality. There are very few people who can be entertaining to a crowd of complete strangers, and if you don't fit into that group you shouldn't be streaming. Contributing bad content is worse than not contributing at all. mrt 05 18:40:56 >letting Craig have say on anything mrt 05 18:40:56 * Delta (Delta@737BC30F.554A2E19.6ADD5731.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:41:00 this is a dangerous game you play mrt 05 18:41:01 you get your crack at it mrt 05 18:41:04 I don't get how people want top quality sreaming 24/7 I already discard a lot of people and it already takes a lot of my time mrt 05 18:41:17 CRAIG you wanted to remove /pol/, surely your opinions can't be *that* bad mrt 05 18:41:19 DukeSilver do you mean fans who watch the cup but don't test/manage or do aeshtetics? mrt 05 18:41:20 if it goes well you're free to go again mrt 05 18:41:21 craig rulz ok? mrt 05 18:41:24 I'm in the "not watching what I don't like" category and bear streaming is more resting for me mrt 05 18:41:34 So I'm the "at least its there and I can hang around in chat" mrt 05 18:41:39 so who arbitrates who is "unentertaining" mrt 05 18:41:51 <[d]r[d]troit> The only thing is that streaming comfy could be an inroad to contributing to the cup itself, mrt 05 18:41:52 the viewers mrt 05 18:41:53 * anon_665 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 18:41:56 (^: mrt 05 18:42:01 if you're terrible you get the boot mrt 05 18:42:04 it's possible mrt 05 18:42:05 IMO, unless they're a manager or commentator or someone involved in the cup in some way (currently or previously), they should probably be limited in when they could stream if at all mrt 05 18:42:08 <[d]r[d]troit> But there should be limits on that too mrt 05 18:42:08 get this: mrt 05 18:42:10 Yeah, this is why the "bad quality" argument doesn't hold THAT much weight. You can always not watch. Just odn't think about the bad quality on your precious channel. mrt 05 18:42:15 so we gather the clips, right? mrt 05 18:42:26 and then we schedule on the calendar "SO AND SO'S TRYOUT" mrt 05 18:42:34 we play the clips and put up a poll mrt 05 18:42:35 I'm all for booting "bad" streamers but we need a good measure on what's "bad". mrt 05 18:42:36 let the chat decide mrt 05 18:42:41 AKA don't have it be #TOPLADS. mrt 05 18:42:51 So "if you don't like it don't watch" but also give complaints? mrt 05 18:42:51 What Craig proposed seems pretty great and fair mrt 05 18:42:52 <[d]r[d]troit> we should have Michael Jackson judge who's bad mrt 05 18:42:59 Honestly, I guage my streams on chat activity. mrt 05 18:43:11 * Rigtor (Mibbit@76F4E358.776BBC39.B029BCDA.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:43:11 that seems abuseable, but we can give it a try? mrt 05 18:43:15 If there are people talking in chat and if it's about what I'm doing or if it's something unrelated. mrt 05 18:43:16 So if someone wants in they have to pass a poll? mrt 05 18:43:24 I'm actually kind of in favor of giving someone a chance and giving a poll afterwards. mrt 05 18:43:25 we do have to consider the possibility of someone streaming and accidentally doing something that might get te stream banned mrt 05 18:43:29 just ask for feedback afterwards mrt 05 18:43:33 or during the stream mrt 05 18:43:35 any system can be abusable if you're paranoid enough mrt 05 18:43:36 Or ask for Google Docs feedback. mrt 05 18:43:43 Yes? :^) mrt 05 18:43:46 oops mrt 05 18:43:50 boo this man mrt 05 18:43:51 HI FEEDBACK mrt 05 18:43:51 <[d]r[d]troit> If someone gets the stream banned it doesn't matter much since it's just the comfy stream that'll get hit mrt 05 18:43:52 we're getting to the point to, if we don't want to select streamers, we're gonna have to throw comfy into darkness mrt 05 18:43:53 I mean if I turn in and someone is doing an awful job and I say something about how bad they are I won't get shunned? mrt 05 18:43:55 Yeah, let them stream first for whatever time they ask for and then follow the feedback mrt 05 18:43:58 "Craig has been on air before saying 'don't ever do what the chat wants'" -Boris mrt 05 18:44:02 and that is sad mrt 05 18:44:08 if it's mostly negative then sorry they can't stream mrt 05 18:44:11 also a few streamers (like indeed smokey) stream at ded time mrt 05 18:44:12 * Feedback is now known as Feedbacker mrt 05 18:44:15 actually mrt 05 18:44:16 if you're constructive about it I don't see why not Mack mrt 05 18:44:19 I have actively harassed the chat a number of times, yes mrt 05 18:44:24 this is also way too much for something called "comfy" mrt 05 18:44:24 the issue is that throwing together a poll for evey person who wants to try comfy seems like a lot of work and time consumtion mrt 05 18:44:29 Also, a point: if we're doing the system with clips, I don't think it accurately represents comfy. Comfy has chat interaction too, so it would have to be actual streams. mrt 05 18:44:29 If I knew I would, but I don't stick around long enough to figure out who the mouthbreathing jackass streaming himself being bad at a game actually is. Surely my view that the majority of comfy being hostmoded on the stream is cringey and terrible as fuck is not a unique point of view. mrt 05 18:44:34 I've had how many people tell me i did horrible jobs at commentating 4cc games? mrt 05 18:44:34 we aren't professional tv folks here mrt 05 18:44:40 just tryna have fun mrt 05 18:44:41 but we COULD be mrt 05 18:44:44 and THAT'S where the money is mrt 05 18:44:45 but we shouldn't mrt 05 18:44:48 which would make it more exclusive then it needs to be just to keep out streames who are not enjoyed by anyone mrt 05 18:44:54 I don't know if I'm comfortable with the whole "poll to decide streamers thing" for comfy. I trust /merit/ to decide on streamer quality for the cup and comfy doesn't need quality enforcement of it's unaffiliated. mrt 05 18:44:54 I took their criticism seriously and i hardly see any complains anymore mrt 05 18:44:56 cause that's lame mrt 05 18:45:05 I will admit more than a few times I've tuned into to comfy it's been awful mrt 05 18:45:10 Plus, people get better with practice. If you poll new-Boris, you may not have gotten current-Boris. mrt 05 18:45:11 So I stopped mrt 05 18:45:17 Yeah, just be constructive. mrt 05 18:45:18 * torytorytory (Mibbit@E21A69DE.DE00BD36.F62B4A81.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:45:20 That's all you should do honestly mrt 05 18:45:21 Provide criticism, not flaming. mrt 05 18:45:28 * torytorytory has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 18:45:39 Pony_me_bro Plus, people get better with practice. If you poll new-Boris, you may not have gotten current-Boris. mrt 05 18:45:40 If you flame, don't expect anything to change. mrt 05 18:45:40 I'm okay with either having the chat decide or /merit/ or a predetermined comfy jury or whatever. mrt 05 18:45:40 Agreed mrt 05 18:45:46 well anyone that just says "THIS FUCKING SUCKS STREAMER IS A FAGGOT" should be ignored mrt 05 18:45:50 But there has to be some form of quality control that's somewhat reliable. mrt 05 18:45:54 honestly you decide who's good at streaming the same way you decide who's good at commentating games in the 4cc right mrt 05 18:45:56 Ana_Mack: That's also, presumably, what having a clear schedule would solve mrt 05 18:46:01 anyone who gives reasons for their opinion, however, should be heard mrt 05 18:46:03 So PMB, if people get better with practice, wouldn't it be better for them to stream in front of a larger audience? mrt 05 18:46:04 New-boris was already a pretty good streamer, and he got gud by streaming invitationals on his personal channel and didn't rely on being hostmoded in order to get exposure. mrt 05 18:46:04 that's how we keep the femmas and the mewyabes out mrt 05 18:46:15 exactly craig mrt 05 18:46:15 Paval: Not really. mrt 05 18:46:19 BGP that's then and this is now mrt 05 18:46:23 I got better at bass guitar by practicing in my basement. mrt 05 18:46:24 * GB (GermanBro@F9A9EA1F.4F63A1D2.FD39AE19.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:46:27 i think everyone has a chance to stream comfy AND being hosted on main channel mrt 05 18:46:27 I waited until I got good to go on stage mrt 05 18:46:34 why? mrt 05 18:46:34 * anon_857 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 18:46:39 So you wouldn't get laughed at. mrt 05 18:46:42 Mantis you dont get to ignore the past. mrt 05 18:46:43 it's up to the streamer's good will to be aware of criticism and improve mrt 05 18:46:46 So I'd have something to offer the audience. mrt 05 18:46:49 Yeah but it's about context mrt 05 18:46:50 Right I think streamers on comfy should at the very least be guys that could step in and host the cup if needed mrt 05 18:46:54 like Kekkels mrt 05 18:46:55 eh 4cc shouldn't be your "learn to stream good" school mrt 05 18:46:59 There's no fundamental difference between the cup then and now. mrt 05 18:47:03 I'd prefer it if the comfy cabal was broken off from the 4cc and made it's own thing with it's own leading body like /merit/. This doesn't mean it couldn't be hosted on the main channel it'd just make it apparent that they're different things. mrt 05 18:47:05 Mack that's like five people. mrt 05 18:47:06 * shouganaina (shouganain@A96D8C3A.20EED085.5BF0E4B3.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:47:07 i would expect at least a modicum of experience mrt 05 18:47:11 fuck its* mrt 05 18:47:13 Well mrt 05 18:47:15 * GermanBro has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) mrt 05 18:47:26 The more that I think about it, the more I like Craig's idea that there should be some sort of application to stream. mrt 05 18:47:27 *leans into mic* mrt 05 18:47:28 Wrong mrt 05 18:47:32 This would solve the quality control problem as well as there'd be people in charge to take action mrt 05 18:47:41 Yeah I actually kind of like the "review" system Craig suggested. mrt 05 18:47:42 And Boris is basically the leader of the comfy group, though not... really? It's more of a group effort. mrt 05 18:47:42 I think the quality control stuff is going too far mrt 05 18:47:51 it's not that simple though Mack, in my case i would never be able to host the cup due to my limited bitrate and lack of power on my computer mrt 05 18:47:51 Again, if comfy is on it's own channel and not associated with the cup, you don't have a quality control problem. mrt 05 18:47:52 Are we actually going to create a Comfy Counsel? mrt 05 18:48:02 i think the comfy being broken off would be worse in terms of a circlejerking and "money-making scam" perceptions mrt 05 18:48:03 If you have no plans to ever host a cup day or invitationals then should you have 4cc stream keys? mrt 05 18:48:08 Attaching it to the main channel is what introduces a "problem" with quality mrt 05 18:48:10 MaxPiston Mantis MagicBlue Magical_Manager MarcoZ MagicalCoat maasie mrt 05 18:48:10 That said, Boris, GB and maybe like two other people could form a leadership group or something that does the application process. mrt 05 18:48:11 Ana_Mack streaming during hte off season is how people get to the point of being able to do that mrt 05 18:48:12 agreed with MaxPiston mrt 05 18:48:19 "poor quality" comfy is not hurting the cup, period mrt 05 18:48:20 oops mrt 05 18:48:21 breaking it off would be a self-fulfilling circlejerk mrt 05 18:48:27 So if someone wants to stream, they stream a few times, GB/Boris etc. watch it, deliberate, make a decision. mrt 05 18:48:27 we don't have 4cc stream keys, that's why it's hosted on the main channel mrt 05 18:48:27 As channel owner of #comfy I believe I deserve a spot :^) mrt 05 18:48:27 shit hte chat got away from me while I was typing mrt 05 18:48:28 Yes NFR that is my point mrt 05 18:48:28 PMB can you get past that. You're talking about a different set of circumstances than anyone else here. mrt 05 18:48:47 Lear, I'm addressing the conversation. I don't know what more you want. mrt 05 18:48:54 Ana_Mack I was replyin to you rolder post mrt 05 18:48:55 Being on topic? mrt 05 18:48:56 Ana_Mack Right I think streamers on comfy should at the very least be guys that could step in and host the cup if needed mrt 05 18:48:56 PAVAL I don't think boris or GB cares enough abou tthis mrt 05 18:48:57 But PAVAL, do GB and Boris want to do that? Do they care? mrt 05 18:48:58 Ana_Mack like Kekkels mrt 05 18:49:04 We're not talking about quality control right now? mrt 05 18:49:05 *your older post mrt 05 18:49:06 They're both in the "I don't care about the quality" category mrt 05 18:49:07 no idea. Sounds like no, though. mrt 05 18:49:09 honestly, I don't mind being on some sort of panel for reading the comments mrt 05 18:49:19 Why does QC even matter on what would otherwise be /deadair/ mrt 05 18:49:31 like the rest of the people who stream can make an effort to watch their peers mrt 05 18:49:32 ^ mrt 05 18:49:33 It's still a good idea. mrt 05 18:49:34 and tell them what mrt 05 18:49:36 * anon_086 (Mibbit@91286A4A.8C1289C3.CF727935.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:49:39 Deadair is literally better than bad air mrt 05 18:49:47 because some people can't turn a stream off without getting triggered apparently mrt 05 18:49:50 SuperAsia: because """"""some"""""" people feel 4CC should aspire to an undefined level of quality. mrt 05 18:49:50 "Just don't watch it" is a terrible argument. If you sya that often enough, you are going to end up with no viewers at all. If your content is shit, you need to replace it or remove it. There hasn't been a single instance ever where having a lot of terrible shit ended up being a good thing. mrt 05 18:49:50 Yeah don't overfill the stream mrt 05 18:49:53 thats your opinion ana_mack mrt 05 18:49:55 Then fucking leave the room mrt 05 18:50:01 However, if there's one criticism for Boris, it's that he's been very, very lenient with handling this whole comfy entity. Like I said, it's been a group mentality policing itself for a while now. Which is on one hand what 4chan is all about --- group over individuals --- but on the other has given people reason to shitpost about quality. mrt 05 18:50:03 you don't have to breathe the air mrt 05 18:50:06 BGP that's a bit extreme mrt 05 18:50:12 HOLD ON I HAVE TO GO SHIT UP A STREAM mrt 05 18:50:16 EVERYONE STOP TALKING UNTIL I GET BACK mrt 05 18:50:24 It's not extreme at all, it is sensible. mrt 05 18:50:28 * GB has quit (Quit: Leaving) mrt 05 18:50:34 * anon_240 (Mibbit@BBEF7080.465F2981.8855D857.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:50:38 minimum standards is something to consider in some respect insofar as it prevents the stream getting banned (again) mrt 05 18:50:39 Oh come on mrt 05 18:50:41 So basically it's either 1) keep hosting comfy on the main channel while trying to make people more entertaining or 2) continue doing what comfy is doing on another channel where they're COMPLETELY FREE to do whatever they want. mrt 05 18:50:46 I agree with BGP. "Don't watch it" is a weird argument for a streaming group to offer its audience. The goal should be to creates something good to watch. mrt 05 18:50:47 * GermanBro (GermanBro@F9A9EA1F.4F63A1D2.FD39AE19.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:50:47 * ChanServ gives channel half-operator status to GermanBro mrt 05 18:50:47 That's why I support moving it. mrt 05 18:50:47 * torytorytory (Mibbit@E21A69DE.DE00BD36.F62B4A81.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:50:48 I think someone can see for themselves if no one is watching their streams mrt 05 18:50:50 yeah i agree with that, you shouldn't justify yourself with "if you don't like it don't watch it" mrt 05 18:50:51 @BGP: the thing is, comfy streams HAVE viewers, not that negligeable number compared to the rest of hitbox mrt 05 18:51:04 Judge not the comfy, least your comfy be judged. mrt 05 18:51:09 If they see that no one is watching with that rule then i don't think they'd keep streaming mrt 05 18:51:10 Saying don't watch it if it's bad is not helping you. mrt 05 18:51:26 exactly mrt 05 18:51:29 Lear: See Paval's comment. That's on topic. Where the stream happens relates directly to the question of quality. mrt 05 18:51:32 gb <3 mrt 05 18:51:32 ask for some pointers mrt 05 18:51:43 yeah but this isn't a fucking prime time tv show mrt 05 18:51:46 I don't understand the idea that /deadair/ is better than /badair/ could you elaborate on that Ana_Mack mrt 05 18:51:47 it's people streaming games for fun mrt 05 18:51:49 hell, in a perfect world no one should have to tell you you're bad mrt 05 18:51:50 "Don't watch it" is a problematic argument in some situations. If you have someone saying "I WANT DEAD AIR I DON'T CARE WHAT'S ON" then "don't watch it" is a good argument. If you have shitty streamers then "don't watch it" is a terrible argument because you should seek to improve. mrt 05 18:51:55 Mantis is right mrt 05 18:52:01 I don't think quality should be a concern of 4chan mrt 05 18:52:06 Quality concern is literally a reddit thing mrt 05 18:52:10 i very much think it should mrt 05 18:52:10 There is a view counter and a chat at least so people can see how much people give a shit about them mrt 05 18:52:10 Well it seems that the bad streams aren't actually being watched but are just people hanging in the chat mrt 05 18:52:11 I don't see why people are discussing about quality control mrt 05 18:52:12 People are upset right now because they can't downvote streams mrt 05 18:52:13 From what I can tell, it's always the same few active viewers watching comfy, and some inactive channel idlers. mrt 05 18:52:16 or integrity of how the comfy is mrt 05 18:52:19 * torytorytory has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 18:52:21 it's frankly stupid mrt 05 18:52:34 If somebody is bad then if somebody else wants to stream they should be able to kick the bad person off mrt 05 18:52:38 Just an idea mrt 05 18:52:44 Reminder quality is a 4chan thing and moot hated shitposting (^: mrt 05 18:52:46 <[d]r[d]troit> Who defines bad though mrt 05 18:52:48 i don't care if this is related to 4chan or not, not constantly aspiring to be better at something you like doing is completely sterile mrt 05 18:52:52 Dangerous road, Scoops mrt 05 18:52:59 Yeah, and personally, I have a lot of qualms over various streamers, but I've learned to either get over it or realize my feelings aren't nearly that important. mrt 05 18:53:04 Always try to improve mrt 05 18:53:04 C6H12 makes a good point mrt 05 18:53:04 it's streaming video games for fun mrt 05 18:53:05 Ana_Mack: then you're wrong, and the stream next to the chat is the least of your problems then mrt 05 18:53:09 it shouldn't require any stress mrt 05 18:53:21 That is also a good point, Cyclo mrt 05 18:53:24 we do get new people on comfy at times BGP. Like I said I've encountered and answered questions baout the cup new people to the cup who are vising during comfy streams have mrt 05 18:53:25 So you watch bad streams then trya? mrt 05 18:53:25 if i watch a stream and there's something that bugs me i'll tell the person/people mrt 05 18:53:31 in fact i've done it before mrt 05 18:53:37 <[d]r[d]troit> Also, reminder that people always idled in the 4cc chat even when deadair was the content of the day mrt 05 18:53:44 I mean that's fine and all mrt 05 18:53:47 Ana_Mack: i watch whatever i deem comfortable to watch mrt 05 18:53:50 like people who were there for the most recent cup, or first came for an invitational and want to know hat all this is about mrt 05 18:53:54 We should not compare things so much mrt 05 18:53:57 vouch for being idler, I always kept a tab open with the main stream. mrt 05 18:53:59 but people are trying to ask for some "council" of people to decide who is good and who is not mrt 05 18:54:01 bad is not forcibly equal to uncomfortable mrt 05 18:54:02 * MauledByTheTigers (mauledbyth@D12184CB.C8647415.8568D8F.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:54:25 One comfy is one comfy, which people may enjoy. Another comfy is another comfy, which people may enjoy. Enjoy the comfy guys, and if you don't... close you the window niggah hahaha how is it even real hahaha daaamn mrt 05 18:54:34 So you don't help the person get better because? mrt 05 18:54:35 Also you guys have to watch Black Mirror. So good. mrt 05 18:54:37 which is what i mostly have a problem with. i don't have a problem with viewers themselves saying stuff about it cause i think that lone is enough for a streamer to decide if he is wasting his time streaming or not mrt 05 18:54:44 again we see this once again devolves to "stop liking things i don't like" mrt 05 18:54:45 GermanBro I still need to finish season 3 mrt 05 18:54:51 Because maybe the person is good for some people mrt 05 18:54:58 GermanBro One comfy is one comfy, which people may enjoy. Another comfy is another comfy, which people may enjoy. Enjoy the comfy guys, and if you don't... close you the window mrt 05 18:54:59 Ana_mack thats like tyring to tell PDP how to do better because you don't like what he does mrt 05 18:55:00 This mrt 05 18:55:00 * rbleader (rb@88B66528.A19B27C8.F8469B43.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:55:11 oh boy /co/ vs /toy! mrt 05 18:55:13 I'd just like to state that all these issues are ultimately GermanBro's fault mrt 05 18:55:19 please forward all hatemail to GB mrt 05 18:55:20 Who the hell is PDP? mrt 05 18:55:25 Lear it might be time to just outright remove voice only mode at this point, it's free speech hour anyways mrt 05 18:55:26 Pewdiepie, too normie sorry mrt 05 18:55:27 I already do, Craig mrt 05 18:55:29 some swedish fuckboy mrt 05 18:55:45 Maasie trust me, it'd be worse without it somehwo. mrt 05 18:55:51 It's not my job nor my hobby to tell that a streamer is shit, someone else will be opinionated enough to tell anyway mrt 05 18:55:51 So what's not been addressed that's on the agenda? mrt 05 18:55:54 Anyway staying on topic. mrt 05 18:56:01 <[d]r[d]troit> >staying mrt 05 18:56:03 It's hard trusting a leaf but if you say so. mrt 05 18:56:08 I don't like gortef's game, I don't watch him, I come back later, its not hard :| mrt 05 18:56:11 * anon_911 (Mibbit@106E81C2.6F1D89F9.70A1A0CD.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:56:34 * Eynon has quit (Quit: Eynon) mrt 05 18:56:36 * matoro (matoro@C5871535.A6752AE3.B34646CA.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:56:42 I mean the only comfy guy I watch is DrD mrt 05 18:56:45 i hate drawing parallels to other events but this would be like watching ESA mrt 05 18:56:46 how many talking points are left on the list mrt 05 18:56:49 I CREATED THIS mrt 05 18:56:50 aww mrt 05 18:56:51 I CAN DESTROY IT mrt 05 18:56:53 * GermanBro smashes mrt 05 18:56:57 So here's a discussion point? Do the rules for who is okay to be hosted or streamed apply to everyone or do "the best" get favoured. mrt 05 18:57:05 Two_Scoops we haven't touched the list after the first question. mrt 05 18:57:10 * GermanBro gives voice to MauledByTheTigers mrt 05 18:57:10 Ana do you think there is no one who thing dtroit's stream sucks? mrt 05 18:57:13 or NASA, if there's a game you wanna see on the schedule you tune in for it and if you don't like it you let the streamer know mrt 05 18:57:13 What do you mean by the best and what do you mean by favored? mrt 05 18:57:16 Everyone has to follow the rules mrt 05 18:57:19 <[d]r[d]troit> it does suck though mrt 05 18:57:19 But it's good not to forget mrt 05 18:57:21 I'm against a #toplad system but some quality control wouldn't be out of place either. mrt 05 18:57:24 not to forget them* mrt 05 18:57:27 Because no one has ever been favored. It's literally about putting a thing on the calendar. mrt 05 18:57:35 Oh no Max DrD sucks mrt 05 18:57:35 * Ved gives voice to anon_911 mrt 05 18:57:37 Apply to Everyone mrt 05 18:57:44 PAVAL has a good point mrt 05 18:57:45 favoritism turns this into a circlejerk mrt 05 18:57:48 so no thanks mrt 05 18:57:50 I had something for this, but tryna would find it unbearable. mrt 05 18:57:52 he is terrible but he tries to get better mrt 05 18:57:53 Making this a circlejerk won't help anything mrt 05 18:58:06 trying to get better is imporant mrt 05 18:58:07 people literally think Boris/GB should get priority over other streamers during dead air mrt 05 18:58:12 >or do "the best" get favoured. mrt 05 18:58:13 trying to get better is important mrt 05 18:58:22 if by "the best" you mean official cup people then yes mrt 05 18:58:36 dead air should stay dead air mrt 05 18:58:38 The difference is that PDP is good at what he does, even if you don't like it. What a lot of Comfy Cabal streamers do isn't even comparable, because they fail at the very essence of entertainment, let alone the type of entertainment. I could watch GB playing a weeb VN and enjoy it, even if I despise that type of game. mrt 05 18:58:42 again this is like commentary, everybody gets to have their game lest they call it in advance mrt 05 18:58:42 so what exactly is the argument for hosting comfy on the main channel? After all, it has nothing to do with the cup, and "dead air" is a shitty excuse to just do whatever you want while not having to find your own audience. mrt 05 18:58:46 Yeah Cyclo, and I'm nto sure where this came from. mrt 05 18:58:46 So from what I understand Ana_mack you have unreasonable expectation and we just have to pretend to get better to please you mrt 05 18:58:55 One of the important points on the list, which is related is "should the approach taken vary during the offseason compared to around and during the Cup" in regards to quality control mrt 05 18:58:55 gonna have to agree with BGP here mrt 05 18:58:56 GB doesn't even stream as often as everyone else lel. mrt 05 18:58:57 No? mrt 05 18:59:07 I said DrD sucks as a joke mrt 05 18:59:29 I only watch him because I know what I'm going to get from him mrt 05 18:59:39 * anon_708 (Mibbit@92353E84.302EB08C.2CE4DDE.IP) has joined mrt 05 18:59:41 <[d]r[d]troit> How are you enjoying the cancer mrt 05 18:59:46 What about kregg, what about Doyes then mrt 05 18:59:51 So your point anon is that you think anyone streaming is trying to become e-famous using the main cup channel. mrt 05 19:00:02 why are we arguing abeou peewdipie vs people who Do It For Free mrt 05 19:00:05 * anon_240 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 19:00:07 until we get to the point where there's no room left for people to slot in and stream, I think QC is not really that big of an issue at the moment mrt 05 19:00:09 I will never willing listen to Doyes ever mrt 05 19:00:09 Paval and C6H12 http://boards.4chan.org/vg/thread/170113225#p170174568 mrt 05 19:00:11 ??? mrt 05 19:00:17 I don't know if it's true but I see it as an issue mrt 05 19:00:21 That argument MIGHT hold weight for like 2 or maybe 3 people, but it's hard to prove. mrt 05 19:00:24 no my point is that there's no point streaming unrelated shit to the main cup channel, regardless of their motivation mrt 05 19:00:24 allegory I regret using NFR mrt 05 19:00:26 Both sides of the "dead air" argument are evaluating the question using different metrics, so there isn't going to be a mutual understanding. One side frames it in terms of "fairness," and the other "propriety." mrt 05 19:00:30 There's not a middle ground there. mrt 05 19:00:33 also HFF is literally the worst comfy streamer right now IMO mrt 05 19:00:34 anon_911 anon_478 anon_086 anon_708 anon_839 anon_969 anonnn mrt 05 19:00:35 anon_911 anon_478 anon_086 anon_708 anon_839 anon_969 anonnn mrt 05 19:00:39 I don't want some cheap shit favoritism just because i happen to make poor jokes during some /soc/ vs /adv/ game mrt 05 19:00:39 what do you mean sillius? mrt 05 19:00:43 like that's so garbage mrt 05 19:00:56 TacticalFail I enjoy HFF streams mrt 05 19:01:00 as do I mrt 05 19:01:04 anon_911: comfy was somewhat related to the cup at a time when boris and gb did it mrt 05 19:01:06 TacticalFail I enjoy HFF, he does well. mrt 05 19:01:07 wow it's like mrt 05 19:01:09 That's the priority argument and why scheduling isn't a panacea mrt 05 19:01:09 personally, I hate hearthstone streams, though mrt 05 19:01:10 I enjoy HFF too mrt 05 19:01:10 like the Dark Souls II ones from a while ago mrt 05 19:01:11 People have different tastes mrt 05 19:01:16 welcome to differences in opinion :D mrt 05 19:01:17 stop the presses mrt 05 19:01:22 even when Boris does them mrt 05 19:01:24 Modest QC I think is a good idea regardless as long as it is reasonable. mrt 05 19:01:30 No one streaming comfy is trying to become the next PDP. They're just streaming vidya to other autists to fill time when they have it. mrt 05 19:01:31 Hearthstone is boring as shit to watch mrt 05 19:01:33 I still don't know what you mean mrt 05 19:01:38 Look, fuck this "quality" thing mrt 05 19:01:38 scheduling IS the priority mrt 05 19:01:38 but yes, they're essentially attentionwhores thirsty for what little confirmation they can get in their lives, and the prospect of being unhosted makes the comfy cabal cry mrt 05 19:01:47 * anon_240 (Mibbit@BBEF7080.465F2981.8855D857.IP) has joined mrt 05 19:01:48 I'd just like to point that aside from the Pybro thing nobody in the comfy had any problem with the calendar or giving up their time before it was due to someone else mrt 05 19:01:51 * anon_857 (Mibbit@BBEF7080.465F2981.8855D857.IP) has joined mrt 05 19:01:56 Yeah mrt 05 19:02:01 I think a lot of this debate is people making conflict when there was none before mrt 05 19:02:03 gtfu is correct mrt 05 19:02:07 anon_911 be civil. You can state opinions without acting like a child. mrt 05 19:02:12 * anon_240 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 19:02:17 HOW TO AVOID SCHEDULING CONFLICT: Don't bother with this dumb shit at all, Jesus. mrt 05 19:02:21 nah I don't think he can mrt 05 19:02:24 Kekkels, thre leader of this "supposed Comfy Cabal" has zero issues getting bumped for someone else mrt 05 19:02:26 lol mrt 05 19:02:27 Okay buddy mrt 05 19:02:28 The thing about the olden days is I've always viewed that as the commissioner's privilege (back when the commissioner and host were the same person). It takes work and sacrifice to host, so giving yourself time to prepare or wind down by streaming comfy on the main channel has always been welcome. mrt 05 19:02:29 <[d]r[d]troit> Even in unscheduled time, a lot of people were willing to abide with changing shit out mrt 05 19:02:30 * Lear gives voice to anon_857 mrt 05 19:02:34 You're right we were fin before we had this debate anon :) mrt 05 19:02:36 <[d]r[d]troit> unless they were asleep (^: mrt 05 19:02:37 Lear: I'm literally incapable of doing this. mrt 05 19:02:42 yeah there weren't many problems before the pybro thing mrt 05 19:02:44 * Lear removes voice from anon_911 mrt 05 19:02:45 In particular, a host streaming comfy prior to a cup stream is a practical way to do things like test stream and mic settings and to notify subscribers that a cup event will soon go live. Comfy cabal doesn't really serve that purpose, so it's a separate question entirely mrt 05 19:02:50 Don't know what you expected. mrt 05 19:02:51 thanks for represneting /4ccg/ anon ! mrt 05 19:02:53 i don't care who streams, priority should only be given according to the content streamed mrt 05 19:02:54 I think the "attention whore" thing was addressed previously mrt 05 19:03:02 [d]r[d]troit what does "abide with changing shit out" mean? mrt 05 19:03:04 it's a good thing it was brought up though mrt 05 19:03:07 unless you're utter garbage at streaming mrt 05 19:03:13 <[d]r[d]troit> getting out of the way of others mrt 05 19:03:15 but like, the worst of the worst mrt 05 19:03:19 oh ok yeah mrt 05 19:03:20 "attention whore" is pure extrapolation out of the "watermark" shit that again nobody reall care about mrt 05 19:03:22 on both sides mrt 05 19:03:23 it shows that people who don't actually watch comfy think viewers watch it for the people who stream mrt 05 19:03:30 * anon_911 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 19:03:32 in unshcduled time steamers usually make way for eachother mrt 05 19:03:33 rather than for the games that are being played mrt 05 19:03:38 * Resolink has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 19:03:38 can someone explain to me what the controversy even is? The comfy has about 30-60 viewers, the main cup has about 1500-2000 mrt 05 19:03:43 the only people they attention whore too is other 4cc people to hang around mrt 05 19:03:44 * anon_845 (Mibbit@53767558.8C9F9FA2.EF376A2.IP) has joined mrt 05 19:03:50 weapons grade autism 857 mrt 05 19:03:54 <[d]r[d]troit> The contraversy is pybro can't schedule thigns in advance mrt 05 19:03:55 * Resolink (Mibbit@314F284B.CFC8B0C8.FF3A5D81.IP) has joined mrt 05 19:04:04 misread as pybro can't schedule thighs in advance mrt 05 19:04:06 what is the big deal? this isn't some big serious thing mrt 05 19:04:10 Btw, I was the one who made a huge stink forever ago about having some sort of watermark.... Except I didn't want a watermark, I wanted to host individual channels, so we'd know who's streaming. mrt 05 19:04:11 i mean mrt 05 19:04:16 how did we slip from commissioner/streamer pre/post-cup comfy to 24/7 comfy? mrt 05 19:04:18 this is just for fun mrt 05 19:04:19 HOWEVER, this isn't an issue if you can just check the calendar mrt 05 19:04:22 That's also a good argument. People accept Boris, Sou and GB streaming comfy, because they streamed the cup. Having a bunch of literally who's hog the stream and play unrelated shit isn't benefiting anyone. It's just attention whoring, and directly opposite of what 4chan means. mrt 05 19:04:26 I thought the controversy was more that the comfy people want to use the main channel chat as a social network and object to being told to congregate on the comfy channel instead. mrt 05 19:04:29 SRS BSNSS 857 mrt 05 19:04:34 ...but we had a lot of instances of poeple streaming without using the calendar! mrt 05 19:04:34 it all comes down to the question of who allowed it in the first place mrt 05 19:04:34 24/7 comfy came from the anniversary event mrt 05 19:04:36 >hog the stream mrt 05 19:04:48 what else is being streamed when there is no cup? mrt 05 19:04:50 <[d]r[d]troit> People use the main channel chat as a social network anyway mrt 05 19:04:51 jack shit mrt 05 19:04:53 But then BOris sou and GB streaming is also attention whoring BGP mrt 05 19:04:59 and you're being biased yourself mrt 05 19:05:02 <[d]r[d]troit> it was used even back when dead air was the only thing mrt 05 19:05:02 Anon_857 I love you and you're too pure for this place. mrt 05 19:05:04 the point is that they're literally whos, you're not supposed to care about who's streaming what mrt 05 19:05:14 would you stop watching the cup if Boris stopped hosting it? mrt 05 19:05:21 24/7 streaming has usually only been for the weekends that the cup was going, then it gets sparsed out. It's never tried being 365 days mrt 05 19:05:22 So I think it's pretty clear what the consensus is here: host anything on the main channel, schedule it ahead of time with a start/end time, give priority to basically anything else over comfy, go in order of Cup > invites > satellite > \other things > comfy mrt 05 19:05:23 Gtfu, yes, but they're related to the cup so people make an exception. mrt 05 19:05:24 then maybe you're watching it for the wrong reasons mrt 05 19:05:29 * Lear gives voice to Rigtor mrt 05 19:05:34 Wait mrt 05 19:05:36 Dtroit is related to the cup , sou is too mrt 05 19:05:40 he is banned tho mrt 05 19:05:42 <[d]r[d]troit> not really mrt 05 19:05:47 im gay mrt 05 19:05:51 me too thanks mrt 05 19:05:52 we know mrt 05 19:05:52 <[d]r[d]troit> just being a manager doesn't mean your content is cup related mrt 05 19:05:55 <[d]r[d]troit> to be fair mrt 05 19:05:55 we know mrt 05 19:05:55 so essentially, only #toplads get to stream comfy because they're not attention whores so let's give them attention mrt 05 19:05:57 * cocc (Mibbit@13BC78A0.AD7409F3.A55B51F3.IP) has joined mrt 05 19:06:00 cocc mrt 05 19:06:01 ^ mrt 05 19:06:06 succ mrt 05 19:06:08 heh mrt 05 19:06:10 cuppo cuppo mrt 05 19:06:11 yea outside the cup weekends it's not really 24/7 since people tend to do normal stuff do during the workdays mrt 05 19:06:11 succ mrt 05 19:06:14 succ mrt 05 19:06:15 The attention whore is pointless bgp I can understand the quality argument mrt 05 19:06:19 lol mrt 05 19:06:24 >quality mrt 05 19:06:27 but you're making things up if people think using the 4cc is the way to "muh popularity" mrt 05 19:06:28 holy shit mrt 05 19:06:28 but toplads are the biggest attention whores of all :^) mrt 05 19:06:29 <[d]r[d]troit> also >not having spengbab voiced mrt 05 19:06:32 Yeah, for me the main stream is for Cup games, Invitationals that want to use the main stream, pre-show stuff like the racing, maybe a bit of the mentioned stuff like hosts playing games after a day's stream mrt 05 19:06:39 otherwise why not just set up another channel for 4cc comfy mrt 05 19:06:44 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""quality""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" mrt 05 19:06:45 i'm just gonna give a big tl;dr for my opinions, why is comfy 4cc affiliated at all, if people want to stream comfy, let them stream comfy, but why is it on the main stream. if people want to stream for 4cc buddies just do it in your own stream mrt 05 19:06:48 <[d]r[d]troit> Why not set up PES mrt 05 19:06:48 <[d]r[d]troit> (^: mrt 05 19:06:49 well, we have that already, Mauled mrt 05 19:06:52 * ShadowTester (Mibbit@5FF01DA8.1D00F381.BE02053F.IP) has joined mrt 05 19:06:53 (understanding it doesn't mean condoning 857) mrt 05 19:06:54 we already have two of those mauled mrt 05 19:07:09 why do people want to use the main one so much then? mrt 05 19:07:16 The only excuse for putting non 4cc related comfy on their main stream is attention whoring mrt 05 19:07:18 why make a seperate stream for 60 people? mrt 05 19:07:22 gtfu We had an /mlp/ fan admit that they got upset when content they created wasn't aired on stream because they wanted the attention for it. The cup is, like it or not, a platform for attention for people that want one. mrt 05 19:07:22 at max? mrt 05 19:07:24 people kicking up a fuss about not being hosted just want more people watching them mrt 05 19:07:30 The policy should be to avoid catering to that particular interest. mrt 05 19:07:31 Rigtor: if it wasn't hosted, i wouldn't watch it mrt 05 19:07:37 Exactly mrt 05 19:07:38 It's the big fish in a small pond concept, Boris. Just because the cup has a relatively small audience doesn't mean you can't attention whore in it. mrt 05 19:07:39 <[d]r[d]troit> Is there a big fuss about people not being hosted? mrt 05 19:07:42 thats not even remotely comparable PMB mrt 05 19:07:44 as simple as that, it's for practical reasons mrt 05 19:07:46 Rigtor there is also convienince. I'd rahter not have to jump channels to watch comfy mrt 05 19:07:51 he spend time on an animation that wasn't streamed mrt 05 19:07:52 again, hosted or not, i don't really care mrt 05 19:07:52 <[d]r[d]troit> besides people who can't communicate at a basic level? mrt 05 19:07:58 nfr mrt 05 19:07:59 * matoro has quit (Client exited) mrt 05 19:08:03 there's no channel jumping mrt 05 19:08:03 it'd just change the way i'd handle my stream mrt 05 19:08:04 * anon_666 (Mibbit@B8301F6F.52962996.790CE59B.IP) has joined mrt 05 19:08:05 Then just host everyones channel on the comfy cabal but dont keep it on the main stream mrt 05 19:08:08 in non-cup days mrt 05 19:08:16 gtfu It's absolutely comparable. You're saying "nobody is using the 4CC to gain attention." I'm telling you that is a reality, people do that. mrt 05 19:08:19 instead of streaming on comfy cabal and hosting it on the main stream mrt 05 19:08:22 * Delta has quit (Quit: .) mrt 05 19:08:29 there is literally no reason to not have individual streams hosted on comfy than comfy hosted on main stream mrt 05 19:08:30 Who? mrt 05 19:08:31 but why is this even a problem? mrt 05 19:08:34 other than I WANT MORE PEOPLE TO WATCH ME mrt 05 19:08:34 PMB, by that logic the whole cup is attention whoring mrt 05 19:08:34 <[d]r[d]troit> Comfy Cabal isn't hosted on the main stream though mrt 05 19:08:35 I don't stream to get attention. I have other ways to do that. mrt 05 19:08:38 He was pissed because he spent time to do something that nobody saw mrt 05 19:08:44 which lets everyone win. people claiming MUH CIRCLEJERK dont have to see comfy on the main channel mrt 05 19:08:47 Magical_Manager muh slippery slope. mrt 05 19:08:48 and caballers can stream in peace mrt 05 19:08:49 that doesn't mean he use the stream do go LOOK AT ME I PONYXD MADE THIS mrt 05 19:08:54 The whole fucking point of the cup isn't some super serious thing, we're here to have fun and shitpost at each other mrt 05 19:08:57 you're overexagerating mrt 05 19:09:07 comfy is just that, having fun and shitposting at each other mrt 05 19:09:12 just not with PES mrt 05 19:09:12 <[d]r[d]troit> Except the only people winning are shitposters, Rigtor mrt 05 19:09:22 who's Attention Whoring? mrt 05 19:09:26 I'm doing no such thing. I don't think everybody uses the cup as a platform to get attention, but some people do. It's naive to suggest this never happens. mrt 05 19:09:29 ''by that logic the whole cup is attention whoring'' slowpoke.jpg mrt 05 19:09:38 How do people who like comfy lose if they can still stream comfy, have a stream for comfy, have everyone who wnats to watch comfy watching comfy mrt 05 19:09:39 <[d]r[d]troit> people whowant to watch it have to jump to random channels, people who want to stream for the fans lose that ability mrt 05 19:09:52 And should we punish those who don't because of some you think do? mrt 05 19:09:53 dtroit you clearly skipped my argument halfway mrt 05 19:10:00 yeah i think if you're going to be hosted on the 4cc channel, you need to remove anything that detracts from what you're streaming mrt 05 19:10:01 857 you are right that the 4cc should not be a serious thing but reality is that as evidenced by the last two hours, people take fun very seriously. mrt 05 19:10:01 I said let people be hosted on the comfy channel mrt 05 19:10:03 By that logic you can assume anybody is attention streaming mrt 05 19:10:04 Pony_me_bro but are those people actually enough of a problem to shoo out everyone else to another channe? mrt 05 19:10:05 <[d]r[d]troit> Which half did i miss then mrt 05 19:10:05 watermarks, facecams, etc etc mrt 05 19:10:06 instead of everyone streaming on comfy and hosting it on 4cc mrt 05 19:10:13 that does not belong there mrt 05 19:10:22 PMB thats like saying we should ban all ponies because of a few annoying people :3 mrt 05 19:10:26 NFR it depends on whether you're more concerned about "fairness" or "propriety." mrt 05 19:10:27 <[d]r[d]troit> because people don't want to jump between 3 channels just to get content mrt 05 19:10:35 ^ mrt 05 19:10:36 but if you're on your own channel in the comfy stream not affiliated with 4cc then do what the fuck you want mrt 05 19:10:36 nigga you're only watching one stream mrt 05 19:10:38 we should giddy mrt 05 19:10:44 but Lear we shouldn't be saying "Yes, you are right. This is serious fucking buisness" we should be telling them to stop being so fucking autistic mrt 05 19:10:44 not hosting comfy would result in the comfy channel only being home of the comfy community and not the 4chan cup community anymore mrt 05 19:10:49 dtroit is right mrt 05 19:10:54 it's not the same to me mrt 05 19:10:59 No we shouldn't because we're not overly panicky people and can act rationally mrt 05 19:11:01 well, there's nothing wrong with that mrt 05 19:11:03 Pony_me_bro I don't understand the point of "propriety" in the off season mrt 05 19:11:03 <[d]r[d]troit> the worst thing is fracturing the chat mrt 05 19:11:13 ^ mrt 05 19:11:14 <[d]r[d]troit> more t han even channel jumping mrt 05 19:11:22 Telling people to stream comfy on the comfy channel doesn't hurt anybody. Choosing not to host the comfy 24/7 doesn't hurt anybody unless they're concerned about getting as wide a viewership as possible. You can't say "it's not about attention" and "we need the brightest spotlight possible" in the same breath. mrt 05 19:11:26 anon_857 I love you mrt 05 19:11:26 i understand completely that people don't want comfy to be affiliated with the cup mrt 05 19:11:29 857 for commissioner mrt 05 19:11:36 <[d]r[d]troit> because people don't want to jump between 3 channels just to get content mrt 05 19:11:37 I do think people should fuck off for being so autistic. mrt 05 19:11:41 I'll never understand this argument mrt 05 19:11:43 Pony_me_bro was I saying that? mrt 05 19:11:47 But autism speaks. mrt 05 19:11:50 I follow tons of channels on Twitch why is it so hard here? mrt 05 19:11:50 Lear is giving them a chance to present an argument. mrt 05 19:11:53 Loudly and constantly. mrt 05 19:11:53 watermarks, facecams, etc etc....kys mrt 05 19:11:54 PMB you blend the problems mrt 05 19:12:00 <[d]r[d]troit> There are people who just idle in the 4cc channel's chat regardless mrt 05 19:12:03 The main channel is for accessibility to the 4CC people and public mrt 05 19:12:07 No matter what happens nobody is going to win here and nobody is going to come to a joint consensus anyway tbh mrt 05 19:12:12 And this is a chance for people who want to voice their opinion to do so. mrt 05 19:12:13 That's not the same sillius. Each of those channels are separate entities. mrt 05 19:12:14 ^ mrt 05 19:12:16 >implying 4CC "people" need accessibility mrt 05 19:12:18 but that doesn't mean "attention" in the sense of PROFITING from it mrt 05 19:12:19 I tend to idle on the comfy sometimes, but i mostly talk when i am watching it mrt 05 19:12:22 nobody PROFIT from the attention mrt 05 19:12:23 There's a contact page on the wiki. mrt 05 19:12:24 If they idle there anyway then why do they need a stream? mrt 05 19:12:27 We just do this for FUN mrt 05 19:12:27 I just don't see why absolutely non 4cc tied streams need to be hosted 24/7 on the main channel mrt 05 19:12:39 Paval comfy and the 4cc are seperate entitites as well mrt 05 19:12:41 (and I don't even stream but if I did it'd be for that) mrt 05 19:12:42 nah, rigtor, there is at least the consensus of cup-related shit having priority mrt 05 19:12:42 this really is just shitposting without the fun, whatever changes are made are just going to make things worse mrt 05 19:12:42 <[d]r[d]troit> We don't NEED one, but having one also shouldn't be a sin mrt 05 19:12:47 not attention, the last thing you want is too much 4chan attention mrt 05 19:12:49 it's a "no reason to, no reason not to" situation mrt 05 19:12:50 so there's that at least mrt 05 19:12:55 I'm fine with comfy whatever but it doesn't need to be hostmodded mrt 05 19:12:58 <[d]r[d]troit> pretty much C6H12 mrt 05 19:12:58 it's nice for the people who want it mrt 05 19:13:00 24/7 mrt 05 19:13:09 and it's fully optional mrt 05 19:13:15 * anon_086 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 19:13:26 its like the friendship test I don't want to stream on the main channel for attention just to show WE EXIST mrt 05 19:13:31 unfortunately the opinion that offtopic streams shouldn't be hosted is in the minority, but i've come to terms with it mrt 05 19:13:33 it was created to replace dead air to a few people who wanted something to watch between cups mrt 05 19:13:34 but again mrt 05 19:13:35 I defer to what f4r said. It's odd to treat the Hitbox chat as a meeting ground outside of cup streams and tweaking policy to serve that function makes no sense when we have half a dozen actual, dedicated social networks for contacting cup people. mrt 05 19:13:40 the cup was made to fuck around mrt 05 19:13:48 why cant we fuck around outside of PES? mrt 05 19:13:57 this makes no sense mrt 05 19:13:57 I don't get why people are valuing having non stop comfy so much when 90% of people wouldn't watch it if they had to follow everyone's individual channels and get streaming alerts. Comfy can only exist the way it does because of the attention streamers get from being hosted on the main channel. Which makes me wonder why people value something so much. mrt 05 19:14:02 because people get upset if you do that mrt 05 19:14:02 * matoro (matoro@C5871535.A6752AE3.B34646CA.IP) has joined mrt 05 19:14:03 * Myuer (Myuer@D751EAB.9EA76F8A.30A3B4E5.IP) has joined mrt 05 19:14:03 <[d]r[d]troit> because PES is like our church mrt 05 19:14:05 You can just don't get hostmodded mrt 05 19:14:08 <[d]r[d]troit> yo ucan't pray outside of a church mrt 05 19:14:12 Well PMB it ended up having that role for me mrt 05 19:14:12 Yes you can mrt 05 19:14:18 holy shit DrD mrt 05 19:14:27 <[d]r[d]troit> thanks for explaining the allegory, Mack mrt 05 19:14:29 And it can for other people who don't like IRC or above mrt 05 19:14:34 it's like going to an ice cream shop that has a signature flavor, and then getting pissed that is also has chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry mrt 05 19:14:42 i mean sure, the shop is mainly for that flavor mrt 05 19:14:43 Comfy Cabal circlejerk recommend Comfy Cabal circlejerk. mrt 05 19:14:44 >food analogies mrt 05 19:15:02 <[d]r[d]troit> no no look mrt 05 19:15:05 <[d]r[d]troit> 4cc is like a hot dog mrt 05 19:15:07 anon_857 it's more like having your signature flavour then telling your customers to go to another customers ice cream shop mrt 05 19:15:08 <[d]r[d]troit> and i'm a hungry guy mrt 05 19:15:10 *uncomforable silence* mrt 05 19:15:13 BGP your solution to the comfy cabal circlejerk is even more circlejerky mrt 05 19:15:14 <[d]r[d]troit> i want to eat the cup mrt 05 19:15:21 Please also remember that streams are banned on 4chan. I'm not saying that means we shouldn't do it, but we've always had a grudging acceptance on 4chan (at least where we're allowed to have threads) because of the 4chan relation. mrt 05 19:15:23 it's more like going to an ice cream shop that also sells shoes tbh mrt 05 19:15:34 pls don't make food analogies mrt 05 19:15:36 pls mrt 05 19:15:39 mmm cock mrt 05 19:15:39 Non-4chan comfy takes that relation away and might impact our ability to post links and threads where we're allowed to now. mrt 05 19:15:39 My solution? I don't offer solutions, I'm just here to tell you your content is shit. mrt 05 19:15:44 Great point, Duke mrt 05 19:15:45 let me believe we're better than this mrt 05 19:15:46 <[d]r[d]troit> I want some ice cream shoes mrt 05 19:16:00 In a fair and constructive way~ mrt 05 19:16:05 Well then why should we try to please you BGP? mrt 05 19:16:13 woah woah woah mrt 05 19:16:15 ... mrt 05 19:16:15 * anon_233 (Mibbit@A208ED3.916A1B64.CF727935.IP) has joined mrt 05 19:16:18 Why should we try to please anyone mrt 05 19:16:18 Has anyone changed their minds about anything? mrt 05 19:16:19 Because thats the usual reaction to /4ccg/ mrt 05 19:16:21 are you implying BGP isnt our spiritual leige? mrt 05 19:16:35 * TacticalFail has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 19:16:36 I'm almost always eventually right. mrt 05 19:16:39 I'm so tempted to GR15 mrt 05 19:16:42 twain at least accepted that his opinion is the minority mrt 05 19:16:44 I don't know about "changed my mind" but my opinion is definitely moved and clarified. mrt 05 19:16:49 that's about all i've seen as far as minds changing mrt 05 19:16:50 tbh the only reason i was here was so i would know which channel to stream on mrt 05 19:16:58 i so don't give a shit about being hosted or not mrt 05 19:17:02 see BGP we have tons of people who don't offer solution and just want do delete us mrt 05 19:17:04 anyone who can hostmode hosts whatever he wants, whether it be for circlejerking or not. No need for rules, and hoster is responsible for whatever he chooses. mrt 05 19:17:08 and I'm glad lear doesn't listen to these people mrt 05 19:17:10 I'm definately not where I was when today started. mrt 05 19:17:15 there's arguments for and against mrt 05 19:17:19 just like I'm glad most people don't listen to people who just want to delete comfy because "muh quality" mrt 05 19:17:22 both are receivable mrt 05 19:17:29 <[d]r[d]troit> We should just hostmode Just Dance streams during downtime mrt 05 19:17:33 Lear's opinions are being blown about like a leaf on the wind mrt 05 19:17:33 not saying there isn't legit argument mrt 05 19:17:34 I just want more 4cc related stuff mrt 05 19:17:36 So am I BGP, but I recognize when I'm wrong, too. mrt 05 19:17:36 mostly duke mrt 05 19:17:40 Literally thats it mrt 05 19:17:46 then make invitationals mack mrt 05 19:17:51 No mrt 05 19:17:51 oh comfy is shit but it should still happen if streamers want to stream shit lmao. 95% of streamers on twitch suck ass. Can't help that some people want to entertain but have the charisma of a dead turtle. mrt 05 19:17:54 IRC town hall on enforced GR15 when? mrt 05 19:17:57 well, shooing the comfy away isn't going to make more 4cc-content sprout mrt 05 19:18:05 Ana_Mack: there i see a good argument, but it's all up to the streamers' will to do it mrt 05 19:18:08 I mean like show old games or show people how to make stuff mrt 05 19:18:12 <[d]r[d]troit> I kind of want to run a 4cc leeg mode during offseason but i don't know if it'd be deasable mrt 05 19:18:19 I think at this point everyone has said what they want to and it's quickly going downhill into personal shitflinging. mrt 05 19:18:25 delet mrt 05 19:18:25 I'll watch that DrD mrt 05 19:18:26 <[d]r[d]troit> even on a like game of the week format mrt 05 19:18:34 DELET mrt 05 19:18:34 REMOV mrt 05 19:18:37 REEEE mrt 05 19:18:41 reeeeeeeeeeeeee mrt 05 19:18:44 these are good ideas mack but they're just ideas mrt 05 19:18:52 as long as you dont fall asleep again dtroid mrt 05 19:18:53 To be fair starting from an argument of "Wow, I sure like the people that are involved with this event and I like spending time with them" isn't the worst starting point for this conversation. I don't think there are many people in here with personal grudges, if any mrt 05 19:18:56 Just show /co/ vs /toy/ from Winter 2014 over and over again mrt 05 19:18:57 How do you show old games without streaming mrt 05 19:18:57 unless someone actually comes up and sets it up nothing will happen mrt 05 19:18:58 This. Nothing has really been accomplished lel mrt 05 19:19:15 well im having fun mrt 05 19:19:23 lol, I know I sound like a jackass but don't pretend I'm being pure evil just to fuck with you guys. mrt 05 19:19:29 You are a treasure 857 :) mrt 05 19:19:32 <[d]r[d]troit> Couldn't someone set up a stream to cycle stuff from Klaxa, like how there's automated streams showing all of MST3k and shit? mrt 05 19:19:35 "How do you show old games without streaming" by streaming old games mrt 05 19:19:35 You could always show old matches on a synchtube or something if people want to be introduced mrt 05 19:19:36 That's actually not even a bad idea Ana_Mack. Having reruns of matches on the main channel would be pretty sick mrt 05 19:19:37 FUCK YOU GBP YOU'RE JUST LIKE MY DAD mrt 05 19:19:42 anyway, i gotta bail and have dinner, you guys take care mrt 05 19:19:43 BGP stop replying to boris via chat mrt 05 19:19:43 Yeah dtroit that's literally what I was typing out :) mrt 05 19:19:46 I never said to not stream mrt 05 19:19:47 just a highlights reel going for forever mrt 05 19:19:47 "I'm being pure evil just to fuck with you guys." -BGP mrt 05 19:19:57 So let's just stop hostmoding it, the comfy people who enjoy the space can chill and comf there, and the people who find comfy boring won't get notifications for it mrt 05 19:20:01 i don't think that anyone has argued for the removal of comfy because of the stream quality mrt 05 19:20:04 Ana_Mack you mean like people do already in our comfortable environment mrt 05 19:20:11 The issue is that if you don't want to hear there are issues, how can you even pretend that you are prepared to listen to ideas how to fix issues you might have. mrt 05 19:20:16 Twain people have for all of today. mrt 05 19:20:18 But people still don't get notifications for host-moded comfy on thei main channel mrt 05 19:20:26 Seriously though what is the actual reason that the 4cc channel isn't kept exclusively for 4cc and they don't just unhost and link comfy cabal on the wiki or something to keep them as separate easy to access entities without making 4cc stream not 4cc related, and weed out attention whores who can't handle having 12 viewers mrt 05 19:20:29 I have never seen anyone stream an old game SuperAsia mrt 05 19:20:38 Unless you are currently being retarded mrt 05 19:20:51 DukeSilver: that is simple to solve, just subscribe to the hosted channels mrt 05 19:20:52 >currently mrt 05 19:20:53 <[d]r[d]troit> I haven't either tbh mrt 05 19:20:59 if you like them, that is mrt 05 19:21:00 people stream old games, but mack is talking about old matches mrt 05 19:21:01 we're all special here mrt 05 19:21:04 <[d]r[d]troit> maybe i should go on with my collection of old /d/ matches mrt 05 19:21:05 lEAR, MAY i BE EXTREMELY RUDE FOR A BIT? mrt 05 19:21:05 <[d]r[d]troit> (^: mrt 05 19:21:08 We know there are issues but we think those issues are a bit too up to opinions to be deleted drastically mrt 05 19:21:10 Whoops, didn't mean that mrt 05 19:21:15 oh wait they don't? Then wait what's the issue with hostmoded things then. mrt 05 19:21:15 The old GB stream used to be a 24/7 loop of old matches when it was offline mrt 05 19:21:18 Right trya I'm saying that anyone that DOESN'T want notifications isn't going to get them if they don't subscribe to the hosted channel mrt 05 19:21:19 How old are we talking, Ana_Mack mrt 05 19:21:21 Is there any way we can just set that up on the 4cc stream mrt 05 19:21:25 and keep comfy on comfy mrt 05 19:21:30 Dude stop being retarded mrt 05 19:21:31 quality magic, it seems mrt 05 19:21:33 <[d]r[d]troit> QApparently Hitbox isn't set up for that Rigtor mrt 05 19:21:38 and """""attention whoring"""""" mrt 05 19:21:39 Dam mrt 05 19:21:40 <[d]r[d]troit> i'd honestly be in favor of that if it was possible though mrt 05 19:21:41 * anon_800 (Mibbit@8F2789AF.9C067C76.4961A95A.IP) has joined mrt 05 19:21:44 There's been Earthbound, other old JRPGs, Craig streaming FF7 since winter mrt 05 19:21:44 yes, same mrt 05 19:21:46 >Being like GB's stream mrt 05 19:21:47 Rigtor, there's one solution: Don't Host Comfy mrt 05 19:21:50 Oh god mrt 05 19:21:51 But there are other options for it Rigtor, things like Synchtube if you wanted to have an "all games all the time" stream mrt 05 19:21:55 he is still going mrt 05 19:21:57 there is a reason Boris overthrew GB and ate his heart mrt 05 19:22:08 besides gaining his power mrt 05 19:22:16 Unless you mean old cup games, which you should have specified mrt 05 19:22:16 <[d]r[d]troit> So he could become He-Man mrt 05 19:22:21 Get comfy to just stream old matches instead of shitty videogames nobody cares about :^^) mrt 05 19:22:34 seriously though we have like the last 3 years fully archived that's a better stream than comfy is for new people who accidentally wander in mrt 05 19:22:36 Dude literally everyone knew what I meant mrt 05 19:22:39 Rigtor you're talking like somehow who's in just for the divegrass mrt 05 19:22:45 oh boy i cant wait for the 1.12 rerun! mrt 05 19:22:47 <[d]r[d]troit> Stream games nobody cares about, like PES mrt 05 19:22:48 <[d]r[d]troit> (^: mrt 05 19:22:52 *someone mrt 05 19:22:57 trya what's wrong with that mrt 05 19:23:00 Anyway time for closing statements if anyone has anything to say before I close this out and go eat lunch now is the time. mrt 05 19:23:01 new viewers are here for the divegrass too mrt 05 19:23:09 what does comfy achieve for new viewers mrt 05 19:23:15 <[d]r[d]troit> What do canadians have for lunch mrt 05 19:23:15 Lear i love you pls notice me senpai mrt 05 19:23:17 <[d]r[d]troit> is it just tim bits mrt 05 19:23:19 something else than divegrass mrt 05 19:23:20 wtf i love rigtor now mrt 05 19:23:20 Noticed. mrt 05 19:23:24 they just see a bunch of pals playing videogames and get nothing bout what the cup is mrt 05 19:23:26 uguu~ mrt 05 19:23:36 >weeb mrt 05 19:23:42 Literally just make sure the schedule is more visible and if someone wants to pull a Pybro tell them to piss off mrt 05 19:23:43 * Lear gives voice to Heavenly_Pond mrt 05 19:23:46 Lear I'll much rather have old matches shown on stream even if its like one of two matches a day mrt 05 19:23:48 hi mrt 05 19:23:51 Theres plenty in the description that talk about the cup rigot mrt 05 19:23:53 I unironically agree with the gay dragon mrt 05 19:23:53 rigtor mrt 05 19:23:57 here's an idea mrt 05 19:24:03 Is this live? mrt 05 19:24:03 then why don't you stream the old matces mrt 05 19:24:05 gtfu if you think people read descriptions religiously you're an idiot mrt 05 19:24:06 <[d]r[d]troit> Would there be someone willign to stream old matches for a few hours? mrt 05 19:24:08 But people mostly gather to the stream for matches anyway mrt 05 19:24:10 I don't mrt 05 19:24:18 * Lear gives voice to MarcoZ mrt 05 19:24:20 The best way people will learn is by seeing. mrt 05 19:24:28 Here's the thing about streaming old games: It's not a feature in either twitch or Hitbox to "stream" older VODs, so you would need one of the following: mrt 05 19:24:34 But then again how do people stumblr on the stream withut knowing its abut the 4cc mrt 05 19:24:38 If you want a 24/7 stream that lets new people learn about the cup, at least some of it or a significant part in primetime should be old 4cc games mrt 05 19:24:39 Fine I'll fucking do it mrt 05 19:24:41 is this feefur? mrt 05 19:24:49 - some poor guy volunteering their PC 24/7 playing back videos from klaxa mrt 05 19:24:53 We have archives going back 3+ years mrt 05 19:24:56 I come to this channel for more than just virtual divegrass memeball, virtual divegrass memeball is the main reason, but I also enjoy the other streams. There are some steams I don't enjoy but then I just close the tab or talk in the chat with people. mrt 05 19:24:58 <[d]r[d]troit> Couldn't someone set up a small server or some shit, some dead terminal mrt 05 19:25:04 - a server with a bunch of wasted bandwidth pulling videos\saving videos mrt 05 19:25:04 but otherwise you've got 9 months of people playing videogames and anyone who finds the stream don't learn shit about the cup mrt 05 19:25:05 <[d]r[d]troit> just dedicate to streaming shit mrt 05 19:25:08 - some poor guy volunteering their PC 24/7 playing back videos from klaxa mrt 05 19:25:10 that requires a bunch of resources mrt 05 19:25:15 Thank you Marco mrt 05 19:25:19 Klaxa recently talked about setting up his website for streaming I think mrt 05 19:25:24 I'm not even asking for it to be 24/7 mrt 05 19:25:30 it might actually be possibly to do it directly from the archives if we just ask him mrt 05 19:25:40 24/7 reruns is ruining diversity of what can be shown on this channel, reruns may be part of filling dead air or celebrating anniversaries, but i don't envision permanent reruns mrt 05 19:25:42 * Bol (Steve@B0234BC7.E15F2D33.4A38199D.IP) has joined mrt 05 19:25:43 that could literally be my home connection but I don't like this idea so I'm not donating bandwidth to this mrt 05 19:25:49 Probably everyone would LOVE to have old games streaming on the channel, it's just not really feasible. However, set aside a time every week or something,y eah. mrt 05 19:25:56 * Lear sets mode -m on #4chancup mrt 05 19:26:00 I'm fine with old games filling in /deadair/ mrt 05 19:26:01 IS IT TIME? mrt 05 19:26:03 * Lear removes voice from [d]r[d]troit mrt 05 19:26:04 <[d]r[d]troit> WEW -M mrt 05 19:26:05 Yeah just make it like a series of "classic" matches like once in a while mrt 05 19:26:06 * Lear removes voice from [soc]ialspartan mrt 05 19:26:08 maybe before a cup mrt 05 19:26:08 it is time mrt 05 19:26:09 If Klaxa can run like ffmpeg and it doesn't bother his bandwidth, then it could be done mrt 05 19:26:09 * Lear removes voice from Ana_Mack mrt 05 19:26:13 imgay mrt 05 19:26:13 we are all free mrt 05 19:26:14 * Lear removes voice from anon_478 mrt 05 19:26:16 mems mrt 05 19:26:16 <[d]r[d]troit> wait why was I the first unmuted mrt 05 19:26:16 fighting isis and wait until next for cartoon network? mrt 05 19:26:18 YOU CAN'T SILENCE ME mrt 05 19:26:18 <[d]r[d]troit> is this r acism mrt 05 19:26:22 Is there a faster way to remove all voice? mrt 05 19:26:23 * anon_666 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 19:26:24 hell in the off-time you could just like mrt 05 19:26:24 Schedule the damn thing mrt 05 19:26:25 <[d]r[d]troit> am i being detained? mrt 05 19:26:25 what is going on? mrt 05 19:26:26 HE WILL NOT DIVIDE US mrt 05 19:26:27 Since he's already got all the games saved, it's not a space issue mrt 05 19:26:27 honestly lear, it might be more suitable to just have the IRC cycled or something mrt 05 19:26:27 gracism* mrt 05 19:26:33 when does /mlp/ play mrt 05 19:26:34 schedule a 4 hour block of 4 group games from an old cup mrt 05 19:26:34 Lear just kick everyone :^) mrt 05 19:26:34 Why do you remove it? mrt 05 19:26:34 instead of manually removing voice mrt 05 19:26:34 you can remove up to 4 people at once Lear mrt 05 19:26:34 yes Speng we are fighting Isis here mrt 05 19:26:36 * Lear removes voice from anon_857 mrt 05 19:26:37 are these real players mrt 05 19:26:39 Lear is silencing the opposision mrt 05 19:26:40 * Lear removes voice from BGP mrt 05 19:26:42 * anon_666 (Mibbit@B8301F6F.52962996.790CE59B.IP) has joined mrt 05 19:26:42 //mode #4chancup -vvvv name name name name mrt 05 19:26:43 * Lear removes voice from C6H12 mrt 05 19:26:48 quiet please mrt 05 19:26:48 ITS TIME BROTHERS mrt 05 19:26:49 or three mrt 05 19:26:51 I don't remember mrt 05 19:26:54 FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS BEING VIOLATED mrt 05 19:27:00 But honestly, no more WE WANT DEAD AIR BACK arguments mrt 05 19:27:04 /msg nickserv IDENTIFY iamthesmartested mrt 05 19:27:05 You can take my comfy, but you can't take my voice mrt 05 19:27:05 Do they expect one of us in the wreckage, Kekkels? mrt 05 19:27:12 AM I BEING DETAINED? mrt 05 19:27:16 * Lear removes voice from CRAIG CuriousAnon drmchsr0 mrt 05 19:27:16 I'M A SOVERIGN CITIZEN mrt 05 19:27:22 Lear's next town hall will bar some news organizations from attenting mrt 05 19:27:26 * Lear removes voice from DukeSilver mrt 05 19:27:28 Thanks for the chance to weign in. mrt 05 19:27:28 first they took my voice mrt 05 19:27:29 * Lear removes voice from Fapoleon mrt 05 19:27:33 * Lear removes voice from Gortef mrt 05 19:27:33 !roll 1d100 mrt 05 19:27:35 Flow rolls 38 mrt 05 19:27:35 then they took my- etc etc mrt 05 19:27:36 Ok now that we've done that let's talk about the Fetus :^) mrt 05 19:27:36 * Lear removes voice from gtfu mrt 05 19:27:40 * Lear removes voice from Heavenly_Pond mrt 05 19:27:42 I'll save you the trouble mrt 05 19:27:42 * Lear removes voice from iMaasie mrt 05 19:27:44 * Two_Scoops has quit (Quit: Fuck, I forgot to put a message here) mrt 05 19:27:45 you can't silence meee mrt 05 19:27:45 * Lear removes voice from Kekkels mrt 05 19:27:48 !roll 1d20 mrt 05 19:27:48 SuperAsia rolls 15 mrt 05 19:27:49 Make Sou commissioner mrt 05 19:27:49 <[d]r[d]troit> AND THAT WAS THE 4cc TOWN HALL, STAY TUNED FOR FAMILY GUY NEXT ON FOX mrt 05 19:27:49 FUCK BITCHES GET MONEY mrt 05 19:27:50 * Lear removes voice from Lazyturd mrt 05 19:27:51 DF DID NOTHING WRONG mrt 05 19:27:52 * Two_Scoops (Im.also@fruit.product) has joined mrt 05 19:27:52 * ChanServ gives channel half-operator status to Two_Scoops mrt 05 19:27:53 * PAVAL has quit (Quit: NOTHING, I SAID NOTHING) mrt 05 19:27:55 * Lear removes voice from maasie mrt 05 19:27:56 WRESTLECUP MARCH 24-26TH mrt 05 19:27:59 * Lear removes voice from Magical_Manager mrt 05 19:27:59 I'M GOING TO TAKE MY OWN VOICE mrt 05 19:28:01 * Lear removes voice from MagicBlue mrt 05 19:28:02 * PAVAL (PAVALDATSA@who.here.tbh) has joined mrt 05 19:28:05 * Lear removes voice from Mantis mrt 05 19:28:06 lear is a cuck mrt 05 19:28:08 Wasn't there an argument like this before at the twitch comfy? mrt 05 19:28:09 * Lear removes voice from MarcoZ mrt 05 19:28:09 * MarcoZ (MarcoZ@D70ED259.FF4191DE.5696E012.IP) has left (I'M FREEE) mrt 05 19:28:12 * Lear removes voice from MauledByTheTigers mrt 05 19:28:15 * Lear removes voice from MaxPiston mrt 05 19:28:17 so what's the verdict other than mrt 05 19:28:17 * MarcoZ (MarcoZ@D70ED259.FF4191DE.5696E012.IP) has joined mrt 05 19:28:18 * Lear removes voice from NFR mrt 05 19:28:19 NO RULE CHANGES mrt 05 19:28:21 * Lear removes voice from Pony_me_bro mrt 05 19:28:21 DAMN IT mrt 05 19:28:22 l e a r i s a c u c k mrt 05 19:28:23 bye Lear thanks for chat mrt 05 19:28:24 lear is a cuck mrt 05 19:28:25 * Lear removes voice from Rigtor mrt 05 19:28:33 * Lear removes voice from sillius mrt 05 19:28:34 so? mrt 05 19:28:34 * Lear removes voice from SuperAsia mrt 05 19:28:34 lear is a cuck mrt 05 19:28:36 * Lear removes voice from trya mrt 05 19:28:39 * Lear removes voice from TWAIN mrt 05 19:28:40 we will find out after everyone is silenced os lear can talk without interruption. mrt 05 19:28:43 town hall on rules when? mrt 05 19:28:49 * Lear sets mode +m on #4chancup mrt 05 19:28:52 THE IRC CIRCLEJERK IS TAKING AWAY OUR VOICES! mrt 05 19:28:53 * #4chancup :You need voice (+v) (#4chancup) mrt 05 19:28:56 * Crackrobat has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 19:28:57 So here's where we are now. mrt 05 19:28:58 oh mrt 05 19:29:17 * SUPERtwinky__ (SUPERtwink@F7D20F37.63466868.53660EB6.IP) has joined mrt 05 19:29:35 * cocc has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 19:29:42 I feel that the points regarding ensuring that there is a minimum quality for streamers is valid as well as the concern over abiding by the rules of the site. mrt 05 19:30:11 I know the various members of /merit/ have been watching this and will want to process what they have seen. mrt 05 19:30:19 * youcantakemyvoicebutyoucanttak (Mibbit@A15F487B.9013D934.C6330C0F.IP) has joined mrt 05 19:30:34 * youcantakemyvoicebutyoucanttak has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) mrt 05 19:30:34 The calendar will be implemented regardless of outcome as it is a good idea. mrt 05 19:30:36 * Smugleaf (Krystal@800DE2E5.47D52994.6BB71A31.IP) has joined mrt 05 19:30:36 * ChanServ gives channel half-operator status to Smugleaf mrt 05 19:30:46 Thank you everyone who showed up today. mrt 05 19:30:53 /mode #4chancup -m mrt 05 19:30:55 Fuck mrt 05 19:30:59 GOOD JOB mrt 05 19:31:07 * Lear sets mode -m on #4chancup